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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    If you were in the Presidents chair, making the decision, what decision would be the right one.
    Capture or kill?
    I vote for kill.
    I think you still miss my point. I don't care that they killed as much as I care that publicly it was a CAPTURE or kill mission that was in fact executed as a KILL mission. You do understand that a capture or kill mission means that you preferably capture if you can do so safely, and kill is the second option. By the killing Seals own words, OBL was standing with his hand on his wife's shoulder posed as though expecting them and ready for surrender.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think you still miss my point. I don't care that they killed as much as I care that publicly it was a CAPTURE or kill mission that was in fact executed as a KILL mission. You do understand that a capture or kill mission means that you preferably capture if you can do so safely, and kill is the second option. By the killing Seals own words, OBL was standing with his hand on his wife's shoulder posed as though expecting them and ready for surrender.
    I understood the point. If I was making the decision, I would have stated publicly it was a capture or kill mission, and that was the missions intent. But an order would have been given to ensure that it was a kill mission.
    And you would have done differently?
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I understood the point. If I was making the decision, I would have stated publicly it was a capture or kill mission, and that was the missions intent. But an order would have been given to ensure that it was a kill mission.
    And you would have done differently?
    Well, if I wanted to mislead my constituency. Or avoid the scrutiny of IL that bans assassination, I suppose.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, if I wanted to mislead my constituency. Or avoid the scrutiny of IL that bans assassination, I suppose.
    How well would it go over if it was stated, this was a kill mission.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    How well would it go over if it was stated, this was a kill mission.
    That's the point!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's the point!
    I agree.
    Now would you have done differently?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I agree.
    Now would you have done differently?
    Indubitably. Where's the mystery. In fact, my foreign policy would look nothing like anything you've seen coming out of America.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Also an outstanding investigative journalist, who broke many a story. And a royal pain in the ass to the Obama administration. Other as well mind you.

    Seymour Hersh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    He's wrong about as often as he's right.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one ever believed OBL would be taken alive.
    Osama died of natural causes in December 2001. Even Bill O'Reilly had a news blurb about it, and his death and burial were reported in several newspapers over there. Benazir Bhutto mentioned it on TV just days or weeks before she was assassinated.

    Barack announced this on 1 May 2011, and only a week or two prior, he was embarrassed (and it was recorded on video) by a friendly crowd at a $10,000 a plate dinner for his re-election campaign in San Francisco of all places, as the friendly crowd called him out on the way he was treating Bradley Manning.

    But people are pretty darn gullible these days, especially when a lie is repeated frequently enough.

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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Does that not fail the logic test? If the Pakistanis cooperated, why would we go out of our way afterward to embarrass them by saying we kept them in the dark?
    No, it doesn't fail the logic test because 1) Pakistanis have the ability to claim no knowledge of raid (before or during). 2) This makes Pakistani's life easier when it comes to North-West Pakistan. You know where Pakistan and US Special Operations and CIA's SAD has been fighting a war since 2004. But hey... people tend to forget about that part of the War on Terrorism..
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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