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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    You can always link to me the article. It could also be that you misread them.
    I can't do a link till I get on my laptop, but in the meantime, there are articles on Yahoo about China overtaking the US as the world's largest economy, according to the IMF. There are many on Google too, if you care to verify what I posted.

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I can't do a link till I get on my laptop, but in the meantime, there are articles on Yahoo about China overtaking the US as the world's largest economy, according to the IMF. There are many on Google too, if you care to verify what I posted.
    Is China's economy really the largest in the world? - BBC News

    The IMF used PPP to come up with the estimate.

    Also, in regards to PPP, China is 17.6 t and we are 17.4 t which wouldn't be the end of the world.

    Like I said, in raw output, we still kick China's ass. Our raw output is over 16 t and China has a raw output of barely over 10 t.

    I disagree with using PPP to make the claim that China is the biggest and scariest because, like I said, the per person is horrific in China compared to the USA.

    Oh look, in that article, it even brings up per capita GDP.

    Well I dare say Polgara, do enlighten yourself and read this article. I'm not trying to downplay China as insignificant, but the sky isn't falling either and you need to understand that.

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Oh my bad, China has a modern LIAONING carrier. A single carrier.

    "...and avoid direct confrontation with the United States and other countries."

    I don't care about thediplomat.com

    Here is a better source.

    http://www.defense.gov/pubs/2014_DoD_China_Report.pdf

    Is China advancing? Sure. Are they scary? Outside of having some nukes, not in particular to us. They're scary as **** to India and their other neighbors though.

    China won't attack us.
    I never said China would today, but who knows in the future what they will do. Maybe China and Russia will team up as they are getting cozy with each other. But hey you remind me of Obama who always leads from behind and China is the JV team.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I never said China would today, but who knows in the future what they will do. Maybe China and Russia will team up as they are getting cozy with each other. But hey you remind me of Obama who always leads from behind and China is the JV team.
    China doesn't like Russia. Putin definitely does not like China.

    They're frenemies at best.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Makes me wonder how Nixon's opening to China will play out in history.
    Not well I think.
    I doubt Nixon's trip will play any more negatively than did Teddy Roosevelt's Asian policy. It is a matter of what has happened since. When Nixon went, they were a third world economy with people starving under communism.

    Then they adopted the American style economy combined with the most efficient system of government. It was America, Canada and the United States who chose a short term benefit strategy, and exported our manufacturing willingly and eagerly. So now the jobs are gone, which is what economists were warning all through the late 80's and 90's.

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

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    ANKARA (Reuters) - A U.S. delegation will visit Iran to review energy investment opportunities while Tehran negotiates a final deal with world powers on its nuclear programme, a senior oil ministry official told Mehr news agency on Monday.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    One word comes to mind. Greed! Do they think that they and their families will somehow magically escape whatever is on the horizon in our future? Good luck with that!
    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Sarcasm? Okay, but what planet do you live on? Name one continent on this planet where people are not fighting with each other for one reason or another, except for Antarctica which has little or no humans living there. You call this normal and peaceful?
    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I can't do a link till I get on my laptop, but in the meantime, there are articles on Yahoo about China overtaking the US as the world's largest economy, according to the IMF. There are many on Google too, if you care to verify what I posted.
    To the greed that you mentioned earlier, so many people in Washington are personally profited any more, the lobbyists (that Obama was going to send packing remember) are more numerous than ever. The money that China has made off of 30 years of US and other manufacturing in their country has hugely profited US corporations that send their lobbyists to Washington with plenty of Palm grease (wink wink, nod nod) but it's also raising a strengthening middle class in China, and providing the unintended consequence of a country that grew so fast, its needs to fuel that growth are pushing them in a direction that is causing concerns now here at home. But not just that, China has openly stated that they are concerned about the effects of a uni-polar world, and have opposed US adventurism in Syria, and have been towards the Russian side with regards to Ukraine. They have been generally unhappy with US hegemony and interference, not just in the ME, but more importantly in their own back yard. I'm not the only one arguing that USFP is driving Russia and China close together, foreign policy and international law experts at the CFR and elsewhere have argued the same, and some have argued that global power needs to be shared, and even that a nuclear powered Iran would be a stabilising factor to that region.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    China doesn't like Russia. Putin definitely does not like China.

    They're frenemies at best.
    That has no bearing on alliances when there is mutual interests outweighing differences that can be shelved for the time being.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    You didn't indicate what your term "currently" included, and since this country is only a few hundred years old, I included the two World Wars. Granted, this isn't Xerxes, Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, or the Roman generals and Egyptian pharoahs over-running the known-world- type incursions that happened in the past, but lots of countries have nuclear capability now, and that changes things. It doesn't make the world more peaceful, but it is hoped that it may serve as a deterrent to idiots who crave power, since turning our planet into glass serves no one's best interest.
    Nobody is going to turn the planet into glass. That is just more hysteria speaking.
    It has been 70 years since a hostile army last passed through My country. In historical perspective that is Nothing short of fantastic.

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Is China's economy really the largest in the world? - BBC News

    The IMF used PPP to come up with the estimate.

    Also, in regards to PPP, China is 17.6 t and we are 17.4 t which wouldn't be the end of the world.

    Like I said, in raw output, we still kick China's ass. Our raw output is over 16 t and China has a raw output of barely over 10 t.

    I disagree with using PPP to make the claim that China is the biggest and scariest because, like I said, the per person is horrific in China compared to the USA.

    Oh look, in that article, it even brings up per capita GDP.

    Well I dare say Polgara, do enlighten yourself and read this article. I'm not trying to downplay China as insignificant, but the sky isn't falling either and you need to understand that.

    I don't know if you have any PERSONAL sources to teach you, but I've got my ex-GE audit staff dad tutoring me
    Luftwaffe, I was just reporting the IMF announcement. I don't have a dog in this fight, so it doesn't matter to me what criteria they used to come up with their statement, but big money managers around the world do pay attention to IMF decisions, so I do, too. I've also read that many of them seem to think an announcement will be made sometime this year about China's currency getting "favored nation" status, and what it might mean for our dollar, and that I am interested in for obvious reasons. Time will tell how all of this might play out, so I'm just waiting along with everyone else to see what happens.

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