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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Luftwaffe.

    I don't know what criteria they used to make their statement, but make it they did - based on however they gauge such things. I didn't say I liked reading that, though!
    China is some thousands ahead of us in PPP.

    They are still trillions below in raw output and per person they are still not even in the top 50 in the world, nevermind on our level or above.

    Actually digest what you're reading. Your strength clearly isn't in economics so seek guidance and learn and always define every last thing you read by googling or whatever you have to do. A high schooler shouldn't be telling you this.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    There are relatively few wars going on and even the civil wars are much less bloody than they historically used to be. You are simply being hysterical.
    : I'm probably one of the least hysterical people you will ever meet, as people who know me will confirm. Logic is my guide in most things I'm faced with, unfortunately. Pretending everything is just peachy doesn't work for me, since reality keeps intruding.

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : I'm probably one of the least hysterical people you will ever meet, as people who know me will confirm. Logic is my guide in most things I'm faced with, unfortunately. Pretending everything is just peachy doesn't work for me, since reality keeps intruding.
    I guess you must think the world began yesterday then.

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nixon opened up China. US manufacturers have been using China for industry since the early eighties, making handsome profits. There really is no reason to hold China in this adversarial posture. I suppose the defence industry is licking their chops at the prospect of war with China.
    Do you think that the South China Sea is all Chinese territory as they have claimed?
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    The danger normally doesn't come from places you know, but places you don't expect. China is not our friend and they are not an enemy - but they eventually will give into temptation of power, control and militarism. They are an ancient race and have gone through period like this many times - eventually it will happen and my belief is they will let the attack dog they have on a leash right now (North Korea) be the cannon fodder for the initial wave.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    First of all China has only 250 nuclear warheads, far fewer then the U.S. or Russia and as yet have not chosen to compete on a warhead basis. You might be asking why China doesn't ask us to reduce our count which is now 7300! As far a strategic secrets are concerned, China has the ability to steal them just like Russia did. I doubt we are giving away anything they don't already have. Peaceful use of nuclear power is in the interests of the entire world and China is now the #1 emmitter of Co2, most of it from coal. anything that will help them transition to cleaner power generation is a good thing. A wise man said "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer". This deal seems to follow those words.
    And the US has an aging Nuke capability. The time is now perfect to bring China on board, as Russia will jump at the chance to lower nuke levels.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The danger normally doesn't come from places you know, but places you don't expect. China is not our friend and they are not an enemy - but they eventually will give into temptation of power, control and militarism. They are an ancient race and have gone through period like this many times - eventually it will happen and my belief is they will let the attack dog they have on a leash right now (North Korea) be the cannon fodder for the initial wave.
    They'll release their anger on neighbors like India which they've done in the past.

    They are not going to fight us. A complete american embargo would kill China more than it would kill us.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And the US has an aging Nuke capability. The time is now perfect to bring China on board, as Russia will jump at the chance to lower nuke levels.
    Warhead reduction is up to the US and Russia. China is already at a level we can only dream of. I doubt Putin will "jump" at any reductions, he is bent on bringing back Russia to its former"glory".


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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And the US has an aging Nuke capability. The time is now perfect to bring China on board, as Russia will jump at the chance to lower nuke levels.
    Our aging nuke capability is more than enough to shut China up for a century at LEAST.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    China is a couple thousand ahead of us in PPP.

    They are still trillions below in raw output and per person they are still not even in the top 50 in the world, nevermind on our level or above.

    Actually digest what you're reading. Your strength clearly isn't in economics so seek guidance and learn and always define every last thing you read by googling or whatever you have to do. A high schooler shouldn't be telling you this.
    I should argue with the IMF and tell them they're wrong? Not likely to happen in the foreseeable future, but if you feel like doing so, best of luck to you. Who knows, perhaps they like hearing from people and will agree with you and admit they were wrong in their statement.

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