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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    It's amazing how quickly the right reverts to fear.

    Instead of trying to start a fight because you're afraid they (as in whichever country starts to gain power and influence) may one day be strong, how about just making America better?

    The military industrial complex has only held American down. Stop allowing them to scare you into getting more weapons and so they can suck America dry.
    A man without fear is a fool, a man that succumbs to his fear is a coward and a brave man acknowledges fear yet presses on.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    It's amazing how quickly the right reverts to fear.

    Instead of trying to start a fight because you're afraid they (as in whichever country starts to gain power and influence) may one day be strong, how about just making America better?

    The military industrial complex has only held American down. Stop allowing them to scare you into getting more weapons and so they can suck America dry.
    That's not the right way to address the issue.

    The MIC is what got us here in the FIRST place...
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    It's amazing how quickly the right reverts to fear.

    Instead of trying to start a fight because you're afraid they (as in whichever country starts to gain power and influence) may one day be strong, how about just making America better?

    The military industrial complex has only held American down. Stop allowing them to scare you into getting more weapons and so they can suck America dry.
    Exactly.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Nobody is going to turn the planet into glass. That is just more hysteria speaking.
    It has been 70 years since a hostile army last passed through My country. In historical perspective that is Nothing short of fantastic.
    1. It only took one man shooting the Archduke to start WW1.

    2. We have been protected by oceans on both sides of our country. With submarines and long range missiles, however, our military has now decided that hostile armies do not need to put troops on our soil to make war with us. In addition, you have doubtless read that one EMP detonated in the stratosphere could instantly shut down our grid for a long time. Since we are dependent on electricity for communication; heating and/or cooling our homes; lighting; keeping perishable foods safe to eat; and so forth; why bother sending an army here to defeat us when it's not necessary.

    You may consider this further "hysteria" on my part by mentioning these things, but when scientists and people in government are saying the same things, does it make all of them guilty of hysteria? On the contrary, I feel I'm probably in the company of people who know a lot more than I do about these things.

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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    That's not the right way to address the issue.

    The MIC is what got us here in the FIRST place...
    Got us where exactly?
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Got us where exactly?
    Our economy would not be as big as it is today were it not for the MIC. Does that mean it's a good thing?

    Well it depends on your view of priorities in life.

    If economics is a priority, the MIC shouldn't be anywhere near #1 for concerns.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    1. It only took one man shooting the Archduke to start WW1.

    2. We have been protected by oceans on both sides of our country. With submarines and long range missiles, however, our military has now decided that hostile armies do not need to put troops on our soil to make war with us. In addition, you have doubtless read that one EMP detonated in the stratosphere could instantly shut down our grid for a long time. Since we are dependent on electricity for communication; heating and/or cooling our homes; lighting; keeping perishable foods safe to eat; and so forth; why bother sending an army here to defeat us when it's not necessary.

    You may consider this further "hysteria" on my part by mentioning these things, but when scientists and people in government are saying the same things, does it make all of them guilty of hysteria? On the contrary, I feel I'm probably in the company of people who know a lot more than I do about these things.
    That's unfounded and you know it. The assassination was only an excuse because there was a lot of underlying tensions and nuclear deterrents did not exist back then.

    EMP goes both ways, it's not like we don't have them. China or Russia won't emp us because they know the retaliation wil not only be likewise, but would have a higher magnitude. All it takes to make an emp is to detonate a nuke right above something. In fact, when you think of it, an emp is moronic. Just detonate the bomb directly on the ****ers pissing you off. Throw more if you need to
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    You don't know much about nuclear weapons, do you?
    Well tell me the results of a few thousand going off.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    What about the delegation of American oil men that are going to Iran? Where do their souls stand?


    U.S. oil delegation to visit Iran this week - Iranian official - World | The Star Online
    Oil and Nuke technology- Yeah I see how they match up.
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    Re: Obama’s quiet nuclear deal with China raises proliferation concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Our economy would not be as big as it is today were it not for the MIC. Does that mean it's a good thing?

    Well it depends on your view of priorities in life.

    If economics is a priority, the MIC shouldn't be anywhere near #1 for concerns.
    The proverbial too big to fail was indeed on Eisenhower's mind along time ago, and subsequent comments of his on the subject indicate the concern of perpetual war to satisfy this giant, was the point.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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