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Report: North Korea tests ballistic missile

Means little...not that I am sorry you posted it.

NK is just trying to saber rattle because that is about all they have.

They could have a hundred ICBM's and it matters little.

If they use even one, they will be obliterated and they know it. So they will never use them
They might as well have launched a marshmallow on top of a missile for all the good it will do them.
 
Means little...not that I am sorry you posted it.

NK is just trying to saber rattle because that is about all they have.

They could have a hundred ICBM's and it matters little.

If they use even one, they will be obliterated and they know it. So they will never use them
They might as well have launched a marshmallow on top of a missile for all the good it will do them.

Yeah no need to stoop so low to negotiate then.
 
Yeah no need to stoop so low to negotiate then.

Negotiate what?
The West is handling NK TOTALLY wrong, IMO.

I would pull out all American forces from South Korea and take away one of the main fears the North uses to keep it's people submissive - the thread of an American led invasion.

Then, I would offer NK all the food they want (that I could spare) and totally ignore them otherwise and just wait until the pathetic regime collapses on itself.

If the North want to develop nukes - let 'em. Why should the West basically pay them not to develop them when the North so desperately needs the bargaining chip to feed/fuel it's people?

Besides, even if NK agreed to destroy all their nukes - how the heck would the West ever be sure that the North did not store a few dozen underground somewhere just in case?
 
Negotiate what?
The West is handling NK TOTALLY wrong, IMO.

I would pull out all American forces from South Korea and take away one of the main fears the North uses to keep it's people submissive - the thread of an American led invasion.

Then, I would offer NK all the food they want (that I could spare) and totally ignore them otherwise and just wait until the pathetic regime collapses on itself.

If the North want to develop nukes - let 'em. Why should the West basically pay them not to develop them when the North so desperately needs the bargaining chip to feed/fuel it's people?

Besides, even if NK agreed to destroy all their nukes - how the heck would the West ever be sure that the North did not store a few dozen underground somewhere just in case?

... totalitarian societies (as opposed to authoritarian ones) don't really care about whether the threat is real or not. With that stated, the number of ways in which starving several million people - regardless of the reason - could backfire and prove to be disastrous in the long term are simply too many to count.

Let's try a realistic approach and take North Korea's enablers to task. It's not like North Korea is getting weapons from the US. So why hasn't the US - for the past 26 years (fall of the USSR) - come out and made sure their backers in the international community are exposed? I think it's time to give up this hawkish foreign policy and simply take members of the international community to task with the same international laws that they love to point out that the US isn't following.
 
Negotiate what?
The West is handling NK TOTALLY wrong, IMO.

I would pull out all American forces from South Korea and take away one of the main fears the North uses to keep it's people submissive - the thread of an American led invasion.

Then, I would offer NK all the food they want (that I could spare) and totally ignore them otherwise and just wait until the pathetic regime collapses on itself.

If the North want to develop nukes - let 'em. Why should the West basically pay them not to develop them when the North so desperately needs the bargaining chip to feed/fuel it's people?

Besides, even if NK agreed to destroy all their nukes - how the heck would the West ever be sure that the North did not store a few dozen underground somewhere just in case?

It would be pretty funny if we started a campaign of dropping food and supplies on them. It would wreck the North Korean propaganda machine pretty quickly.
 
Negotiate what?
The West is handling NK TOTALLY wrong, IMO.

I would pull out all American forces from South Korea and take away one of the main fears the North uses to keep it's people submissive - the thread of an American led invasion.

Then, I would offer NK all the food they want (that I could spare) and totally ignore them otherwise and just wait until the pathetic regime collapses on itself.

If the North want to develop nukes - let 'em. Why should the West basically pay them not to develop them when the North so desperately needs the bargaining chip to feed/fuel it's people?

Besides, even if NK agreed to destroy all their nukes - how the heck would the West ever be sure that the North did not store a few dozen underground somewhere just in case?

The only thing preventing a war in Korea is the USA, we leave the South will demolish them.
 
The only thing preventing a war in Korea is the USA, we leave the South will demolish them.

With what?

Single-handedly, the South is FAR superior to the North in conventional weapons...far. With their air force alone they would probably have total air superiority in a few days. The North's military is made up primarily of VERY old weapon systems that cannot even dream of competing against the South's military technology.

Throw in American/NATO/UN air power that could come to the South's aid in a few days and the North would not stand a chance against the South...not even close.

And so long as America pledges to retaliate with nukes to any NK attack with nukes - the North's hands are tied militarily.
 
With what?

Single-handedly, the South is FAR superior to the North in conventional weapons...far. With their air force alone they would probably have total air superiority in a few days. The North's military is made up primarily of VERY old weapon systems that cannot even dream of competing against the South's military technology.

Throw in American/NATO/UN air power that could come to the South's aid in a few days and the North would not stand a chance against the South...not even close.

And so long as America pledges to retaliate with nukes to any NK attack with nukes - the North's hands are tied militarily.

I think his statement meant that the US just prevents a war that the South would without a doubt win.
 
... totalitarian societies (as opposed to authoritarian ones) don't really care about whether the threat is real or not. With that stated, the number of ways in which starving several million people - regardless of the reason - could backfire and prove to be disastrous in the long term are simply too many to count.

Let's try a realistic approach and take North Korea's enablers to task. It's not like North Korea is getting weapons from the US. So why hasn't the US - for the past 26 years (fall of the USSR) - come out and made sure their backers in the international community are exposed? I think it's time to give up this hawkish foreign policy and simply take members of the international community to task with the same international laws that they love to point out that the US isn't following.

*cough*CHINA*cough*
 
With what?

Single-handedly, the South is FAR superior to the North in conventional weapons...far. With their air force alone they would probably have total air superiority in a few days. The North's military is made up primarily of VERY old weapon systems that cannot even dream of competing against the South's military technology.

Throw in American/NATO/UN air power that could come to the South's aid in a few days and the North would not stand a chance against the South...not even close.

And so long as America pledges to retaliate with nukes to any NK attack with nukes - the North's hands are tied militarily.

Hatuey is correct. The only thing that has prevented war on in Korea is the US holding the South back.
 
Means little...not that I am sorry you posted it.

NK is just trying to saber rattle because that is about all they have.

They could have a hundred ICBM's and it matters little.

If they use even one, they will be obliterated and they know it. So they will never use them
They might as well have launched a marshmallow on top of a missile for all the good it will do them.

Exactly buddy. But the handwringing is good for the complex of military/defense contractors, and helps keep American unemployment numbers lower.
 
Exactly buddy. But the handwringing is good for the complex of military/defense contractors, and helps keep American unemployment numbers lower.

I agree, my online be friend.
 
Hatuey is correct. The only thing that has prevented war on in Korea is the US holding the South back.

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I dont think South Korea has any desire to attack North Korea. Why should they? North Korea is a piss-ant. Everyone knows it. South Korea certainly isnt threatened by the North. The North for all their occasional bravado isnt stupid enough to actually act. For than matter...neither is Iran. Iran is talking big **** because they know they can. Obama isnt going to war with them and they know it. Iran is that stupid street punk grabbing their balls and talking **** from half a block away with a couple of their boys being really impressed all the while knowing that they guy they are talking **** to a-doesnt really care-b-isnt really going to respond and c-if he did respond the fight would be over before it started. To Obamas credit, he has just been ignoring the threats and he should. ANY type of response would just result in some sort of payoff for the impotent rusty saber rattling.
 
Both may pose threats to some of our interests and allies, but neither poses a threat to the United States directly.
 
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I dont think South Korea has any desire to attack North Korea. Why should they? North Korea is a piss-ant. Everyone knows it. South Korea certainly isnt threatened by the North. The North for all their occasional bravado isnt stupid enough to actually act. For than matter...neither is Iran. Iran is talking big **** because they know they can. Obama isnt going to war with them and they know it. Iran is that stupid street punk grabbing their balls and talking **** from half a block away with a couple of their boys being really impressed all the while knowing that they guy they are talking **** to a-doesnt really care-b-isnt really going to respond and c-if he did respond the fight would be over before it started. To Obamas credit, he has just been ignoring the threats and he should. ANY type of response would just result in some sort of payoff for the impotent rusty saber rattling.

Agreed, mostly. And much of the same could be said of Iran.
 
Both may pose threats to some of our interests and allies, but neither poses a threat to the United States directly.

Exactly. Which also could be said of many of the countries that we have gone to war with.
 
Exactly. Which also could be said of many of the countries that we have gone to war with.

Saying that they don't pose a direct threat is a way of downplaying the threat they do pose. It also leaves out what type of threat you are talking about as well. Saying Iran or N.Korea are not a direct threat to America is akin to saying that Germany prior to WW2 was not a direct threat to the US. If you can see the ignorance in the 2nd statement, you should realize the ignorance in the 1st.
 
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I dont think South Korea has any desire to attack North Korea. Why should they? North Korea is a piss-ant. Everyone knows it. South Korea certainly isnt threatened by the North. The North for all their occasional bravado isnt stupid enough to actually act. For than matter...neither is Iran. Iran is talking big **** because they know they can. Obama isnt going to war with them and they know it. Iran is that stupid street punk grabbing their balls and talking **** from half a block away with a couple of their boys being really impressed all the while knowing that they guy they are talking **** to a-doesnt really care-b-isnt really going to respond and c-if he did respond the fight would be over before it started. To Obamas credit, he has just been ignoring the threats and he should. ANY type of response would just result in some sort of payoff for the impotent rusty saber rattling.

VM, trust me on this one. The South has been held in check by the USA. They are tired of the **** from the North and while they don't want war, aren't afraid of taking care of business.
 
Saying that they don't pose a direct threat is a way of downplaying the threat they do pose. It also leaves out what type of threat you are talking about as well. Saying Iran or N.Korea are not a direct threat to America is akin to saying that Germany prior to WW2 was not a direct threat to the US. If you can see the ignorance in the 2nd statement, you should realize the ignorance in the 1st.

I just see ignorance.
 
VM, trust me on this one. The South has been held in check by the USA. They are tired of the **** from the North and while they don't want war, aren't afraid of taking care of business.

Theres a difference between not being afraid and not havign a reason.

North Korea is starving to death. Literally. War with them is ridiculous. There is one 'enemy' in North Korea and he is as much an enemy of the citizens of North Korea as he is the citizens of South Korea.
 
It's a pathetic regime. Kim is a brazen liar and dictator
 
VM, trust me on this one. The South has been held in check by the USA. They are tired of the **** from the North and while they don't want war, aren't afraid of taking care of business.

Based on what I experienced when I was there, there seems to be several different camps. There are the elders who were alive during the Korean War who despise N.Korea and if given the chance, would pick up a gun and go fight them right now. Then there is the younger generation which seems to be split in many ways. There are younger Koreans who want to unify the country and believe that ending the war is part of that process. Then there is a smaller group who are educated about the situation and know that unification with the North is not possible unless it is under Kim Jong Un. The last opinion being the correct one of course. Both the North and South want unification, but under their own respective governments and doctorines. However, I think there are probably more N.Koreans that would be happy to unify under the South's system. You don't see many South Korean's running across the boarder risking death to get to the North.
 
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