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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Because Obama didn't leave behind a peaceful and stable Iraq. There's been no peace or stability in Iraq since March of 2003!
    Iraq was fairly stable when Bush II left office. Then Obama took office, removed all troops from Iraq and waited too f-ing long to tackle ISIS when they popped up and started taking cities.

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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Laugh out loud all you wish.

    The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has increased the number of terrorist groups worldwide and "made the overall terrorism problem worse," a U.S. intelligence official said in a secret study.

    The assessment of the war's impact on terrorism came in a National Intelligence Estimate that represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government, CBS News learned Sunday.

    CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante reports that the intelligence report contained some broad conclusions:

    The U.S. presence in Iraq is providing new recruits for militant Islam.

    The movement has spread and is now "self-generating."

    Report: Iraq War Made Terror 'Worse' - CBS News
    The idea that suddenly there were more terrorists because we invaded Iraq is laughable. These terrorists always existed, they just did not have a vacume to operate in because they were tightly controlled in their respective countries. The major mistake we made in Iraq was that we went in and dismantled their military and police forces while not providing a replacement for that. While we were celebrating the ouster of Saddam, the militant groups were flooding into Iraq from all sides. Its not like they just popped into existence out of thin air, they were always there. If we had not tried to please the liberals by sending in a "cheaper" force with a smaller footprint to save money, and sent in what was actually needed to do the job, ISIS would have never existed and Iraq would be on its way to becoming a regional super power with the US as a benefactor from all the additional trade agreements we would have made with them due to our security agreement. Just as we did in Japan, S.Korea, Philippines and China. You just can't teach this kind of stupid, unless your head is filled with progressive, liberal, feel goodery garbage which has no place in a practical and realistic world.
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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    The idea that suddenly there were more terrorists because we invaded Iraq is laughable. These terrorists always existed, they just did not have a vacume to operate in because they were tightly controlled in their respective countries. The major mistake we made in Iraq was that we went in and dismantled their military and police forces while not providing a replacement for that. While we were celebrating the ouster of Saddam, the militant groups were flooding into Iraq from all sides. Its not like they just popped into existence out of thin air, they were always there. If we had not tried to please the liberals by sending in a "cheaper" force with a smaller footprint to save money, and sent in what was actually needed to do the job, ISIS would have never existed and Iraq would be on its way to becoming a regional super power with the US as a benefactor from all the additional trade agreements we would have made with them due to our security agreement. Just as we did in Japan, S.Korea, Philippines and China. You just can't teach this kind of stupid, unless your head is filled with progressive, liberal, feel goodery garbage which has no place in a practical and realistic world.
    Yes, laughable because Capster knows more than our intelligence agencies.
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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Iraq was fairly stable when Bush II left office. Then Obama took office, removed all troops from Iraq and waited too f-ing long to tackle ISIS when they popped up and started taking cities.
    No, our 2006 NIE concluded, with consensus amongst all the intelligence agencies, that the Iraq invasion and occupation exacerbated terrorism there and globally, and made America less safe. Meanwhile, the Islamic State formed in Iraq during the middle of Bush's term. Iraq hasn't seen peace, or stability since the Spring of 2003.
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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, laughable because Capster knows more than our intelligence agencies.
    And our intelligence agencies knew so much about the situation in Iraq that they completely underestimated the threat of civil war and insurgency after the invasion. Are you actually saying our intelligence agency knows whats going on? Are you defending them?
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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    And our intelligence agencies knew so much about the situation in Iraq that they completely underestimated the threat of civil war and insurgency after the invasion. Are you actually saying our intelligence agency knows whats going on? Are you defending them?
    I'm not defending anybody. I posted you the conclusions of the Bush era NIE.
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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

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    And our intelligence agencies knew so much about the situation in Iraq that they completely underestimated the threat of civil war and insurgency after the invasion. Are you actually saying our intelligence agency knows whats going on? Are you defending them?
    The documents suggest that the public relations push for war came before the intelligence analysis, which then conformed to public positions taken by Pentagon and White House officials. For example, a July 2002 draft of the "White Paper" ultimately issued by the CIA in October 2002 actually pre-dated the National Intelligence Estimate that the paper purportedly summarized, but which Congress did not insist on until September 2002.

    A similar comparison between a declassified draft and the final version of the British government's "White Paper" on Iraq weapons of mass destruction adds to evidence that the two nations colluded in the effort to build public support for the invasion of Iraq. Dr. Prados concludes that the new evidence tends to support charges raised by former White House press secretary Scott McClellan and by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in its long-delayed June 2008 "Phase II" report on politicization of intelligence.

    And there was the Downing Street memo that fingered Bush for fixing the intelligence around the policy. There was never any real reason to believe that Saddam Hussein had WMD smoking guns that could create mushroom clouds over US cities as was claimed to scare up American support.
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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The documents suggest that the public relations push for war came before the intelligence analysis, which then conformed to public positions taken by Pentagon and White House officials. For example, a July 2002 draft of the "White Paper" ultimately issued by the CIA in October 2002 actually pre-dated the National Intelligence Estimate that the paper purportedly summarized, but which Congress did not insist on until September 2002.

    A similar comparison between a declassified draft and the final version of the British government's "White Paper" on Iraq weapons of mass destruction adds to evidence that the two nations colluded in the effort to build public support for the invasion of Iraq. Dr. Prados concludes that the new evidence tends to support charges raised by former White House press secretary Scott McClellan and by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in its long-delayed June 2008 "Phase II" report on politicization of intelligence.

    And there was the Downing Street memo that fingered Bush for fixing the intelligence around the policy. There was never any real reason to believe that Saddam Hussein had WMD smoking guns that could create mushroom clouds over US cities as was claimed to scare up American support.
    So wait a minute, are you saying you are smarter then the CIA and I am not? Interesting.
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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    So wait a minute, are you saying you are smarter then the CIA and I am not? Interesting.
    That's your take away, interesting.
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    Re: ISIS activity prompts threat level increase at bases

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, our 2006 NIE concluded, with consensus amongst all the intelligence agencies, that the Iraq invasion and occupation exacerbated terrorism there and globally, and made America less safe. Meanwhile, the Islamic State formed in Iraq during the middle of Bush's term. Iraq hasn't seen peace, or stability since the Spring of 2003.
    False. They were hanging out in Syria and didnt jump back into Iraq until after we left as Roadvirus correctly stated. Bush said all along that us leaving Iraq would create a safe haven for terrorism...its almost like he was a prophet. I wasnt a fan of Bush by the way, but Iraq was stabilized in his final years in office....now that the radical ideologue Obama irresponsibly ripped us out of there we are seeing terrorism explode. They now think they are in charge, as as long as we have the hippie in the oval office, they are right.

    I await more fantastic news of beheadings, rapes, and murders from the religion of piss.

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