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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Are the storm clouds bigger or smaller than had SNP been in government? They'd certainly have demanded more devolved power during the formation of the government. Besides you all survived a referendum with Conservatives in Westminster. I'd imagine the Lib Dems had pull, but not THAT much pull.
    Its not more devolved power but control of their own resources the Scots want. Before the referendum the Westminster parties promised the moon to the Scots and then reneged on them once the No vote was secured because they needed the oil to underpin the UK economy. I'd wager if you held that referendum again today the result would be very different. This is why the Westminster parties were wiped out at the polls north of the border
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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Election results: Conservatives win majority - BBC News

    It is odd that there has been no mention of this surprise result anywhere here despite the UK being supposedly Americas closest ally. Here in the UK the minutae of US political campaigns is dissected and analysed ad nauseam and usually years before US polling day

    Its also quite bizarre when you contrast that with the sound and fury generated on the forum by elections in Israel
    This is not all that surprising. UK has been going too far left for too long and it stands to reason that Conservatives (+24) and the Scottish National Party, arguably somewhat liberal themselves, (+50) made great gains at the expense of Liberal Democrats (-47) and the Labour Party (-26.) At this point based on the numbers Conservatives alone have enough seats to govern. Such a bad loss there are resignations to watch play out, especially seeing as Liberal Democrats are down to all of 8 seats. Such a blow out it tells us the pulse of the UK has spoken enough to want real changes going forward.
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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

    Labour were caught in the worst of all worlds losing in England to the right, and in Scotland to the left. The SNP cleverly moved to cover the leftist positions Labour abandoned to pursue English seats. Whether they actually follow through remains to be seen, since their other policies are conservative. (with a small "c")
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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I would bet most people in the US dont understand how British government works.
    They should first try to understand how our own works or better yet why it does not work...
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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Election results: Conservatives win majority - BBC News

    It is odd that there has been no mention of this surprise result anywhere here despite the UK being supposedly Americas closest ally. Here in the UK the minutae of US political campaigns is dissected and analysed ad nauseam and usually years before US polling day

    Its also quite bizarre when you contrast that with the sound and fury generated on the forum by elections in Israel
    Actually I am quite aware. My friends across the pond are very pleased with the results! Especially the Scots!

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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Fantastic to see the UK go strongly conservative at such a critical time in their great collective histories.
    "Conservative" in the UK is not the same as "conservative" in the US.

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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    This is not all that surprising. UK has been going too far left for too long and it stands to reason that Conservatives (+24) and the Scottish National Party, arguably somewhat liberal themselves, (+50) made great gains at the expense of Liberal Democrats (-47) and the Labour Party (-26.) At this point based on the numbers Conservatives alone have enough seats to govern. Such a bad loss there are resignations to watch play out, especially seeing as Liberal Democrats are down to all of 8 seats. Such a blow out it tells us the pulse of the UK has spoken enough to want real changes going forward.
    Wasn't Lib Dem part of the Conservatives majority coalition (or whatever it is called) prior to the election? From what I was reading it sounded more like Lib Dem lost a lot of votes for not being Lib Dem's, then any sort of referendum against leftism.

    But yeah, a lot of resignations last night, from what I recall the Lib Dem, Labour, and UKIP leaders all resigned following the results last night.


    For interest/fun, the political compass chart for UK 2015 elections:
    http://politicalcompass.org/uk2015

    Seems Tories are way too right, from what has been discussed in here. Haven't read on the methodology in a long time, so not sure how they are doing the charts now, but yeah.
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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by coyotedelmar View Post
    Wasn't Lib Dem part of the Conservatives majority coalition (or whatever it is called) prior to the election? From what I was reading it sounded more like Lib Dem lost a lot of votes for not being Lib Dem's, then any sort of referendum against leftism.

    But yeah, a lot of resignations last night, from what I recall the Lib Dem, Labour, and UKIP leaders all resigned following the results last night.


    For interest/fun, the political compass chart for UK 2015 elections:
    The Political Compass

    Seems Tories are way too right, from what has been discussed in here. Haven't read on the methodology in a long time, so not sure how they are doing the charts now, but yeah.
    For the most part. But we have to keep in mind two important things here. One, their system of government in handling "coalition" is different. Two, their terminology of "conservative" and "liberal" is not quite the same.

    But the effect in terms I was speaking of seems to stand from these results. Great gains were made at the express cost to those that lean further left, arguably.

    It will be interesting to see what Conservatives do via the seats they have obtained.
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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Election results: Conservatives win majority - BBC News

    It is odd that there has been no mention of this surprise result anywhere here despite the UK being supposedly Americas closest ally. Here in the UK the minutae of US political campaigns is dissected and analysed ad nauseam and usually years before US polling day

    Its also quite bizarre when you contrast that with the sound and fury generated on the forum by elections in Israel
    There was discussion in the Europe subforum. I spent a lot of time watching the BBC last night. I wish the Prime Minister much success in governing following his re-election.

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    Re: Just in case you missed it there was a UK election yesterday

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