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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    I like how you jump around...you use discouraged level comparing Jan 2009 to now and dismiss the U-4 rate, which was higher, but for U-6, which was 14.2% when Obama took office, you ignore that and go back to pre-recession.

    Why are you using different dates like that?
    I don't jump around at all and have been using the unemployed, under employed, discouraged workers the entire time. I use discouraged workers because it remains at record levels especially compared to Bush and discouraged workers are part of the equation that affects the official unemployment rate and puts the economy in true perspective.

    What doesn't make a lot of sense is that the number went to 1.2 million after an 842 billion stimulus and two years after implementation. Wonder why all those people stopped looking for work with such a strong leader and economy under Obama?

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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't jump around at all and have been using the unemployed, under employed, discouraged workers the entire time.
    You compared the LEVEL of discouraged workers from January 2009 to now.
    You compared the U-6 from Dacember 2007 to now. Why the two different dates?
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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    You compared the LEVEL of discouraged workers from January 2009 to now.
    You compared the U-6 from Dacember 2007 to now. Why the two different dates?
    December 2007 is when the recession began, that is the recession Obama claimed he had the answers to solve. Discouraged workers are part of the number in 2007, 2009 when he took office, and 2015 today after 8.2 trillion added to the debt. You tell me when you want to compare the numbers to? Didn't the Democrats control Congress in 2007-2011? Didn't the stimulus get passed and signed in February 2009?

    How do you think we should judge Obama's performance? He was elected to get us back to pre recession levels and still hasn't done that. You claim to not be an Obama supporter and yet all you do is defend the indefensible. The numbers and the cost to generate those numbers make you look foolish and a typical liberal.

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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    December 2007 is when the recession began, that is the recession Obama claimed he had the answers to solve. Discouraged workers are part of the number in 2007, 2009 when he took office, and 2015 today after 8.2 trillion added to the debt. You tell me when you want to compare the numbers to? Didn't the Democrats control Congress in 2007-2011? Didn't the stimulus get passed and signed in February 2009?
    It's just that the U-6 was HIGHER when Obama took office than it is now, but you ignore that and go back to 2007 when it was lower. Discouraged LEVEL but not RATE was higher when Obama took office so you were ok with that.

    When Obama took office, the U-6 rate was 14.2% and went up to 17.2%. How low does it have to go before you say it's improving?



    How do you think we should judge Obama's performance? .
    By a single standard and not cherry picking data and times to make present him in the worst light and ignoring any improvement at all.
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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    ... now the unemployment rate is higher, the discouraged workers is higher, the GDP growth lower, the debt is higher and Obama is called the savior. why the disconnect and why do good people like you continue to buy the rhetoric?
    Pretty much, anyone would have looked like the savior, compared to Bush. A Magic 8 Ball or a barrel full of monkeys could have done a better job that Bush. Bush lowered the bar so much that any community organizer POTUS would have looked like a hero.

    It doesn't really matter that Obama's performance has been pathetic, buy comparison, it's still better than Bush's. Three Bush terms, three wars, three recessions.
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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    It's just that the U-6 was HIGHER when Obama took office than it is now, but you ignore that and go back to 2007 when it was lower. Discouraged LEVEL but not RATE was higher when Obama took office so you were ok with that.

    When Obama took office, the U-6 rate was 14.2% and went up to 17.2%. How low does it have to go before you say it's improving?



    How do you think we should judge Obama's performance? He was elected to get us back to pre recession levels and still hasn't done that. You claim to not be an Obama supporter and yet all you do is defend the indefensible. The numbers and the cost to generate those numbers make you look foolish and a typical liberal.
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    Don't you think when Obama signed and passed a stimulus program at a cost of 842 billion that the U-6 rate ought to drop? When do actual costs play into your analysis of the results? How low do the numbers need to go, back to pre recession levels. Isn't that what we were promised or the claims made?

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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Pretty much, anyone would have looked like the savior, compared to Bush. A Magic 8 Ball or a barrel full of monkeys could have done a better job that Bush. Bush lowered the bar so much that any community organizer POTUS would have looked like a hero.

    It doesn't really matter that Obama's performance has been pathetic, buy comparison, it's still better than Bush's. Three Bush terms, three wars, three recessions.
    That is your opinion and exactly what I would expect from someone Gruber was describing. Actual results are always trumped by media rhetoric and those too lazy to verify what they are told.

    You claim that Obama's performance is better than Bush's yet offer nothing except a comparison to 2008. Bush was in office 7 years prior to 2008 and yet those numbers mean nothing to you. Wonder why? Name for me that average Obama result better than Bush's? Unemployment? NO, GDP? NO, better debt? NO

    Where do you get your numbers and please stop making Gruber look brilliant.

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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion and exactly what I would expect from someone Gruber was describing. Actual results are always trumped by media rhetoric and those too lazy to verify what they are told.

    You claim that Obama's performance is better than Bush's yet offer nothing except a comparison to 2008. Bush was in office 7 years prior to 2008 and yet those numbers mean nothing to you. Wonder why? Name for me that average Obama result better than Bush's? Unemployment? NO, GDP? NO, better debt? NO

    Where do you get your numbers and please stop making Gruber look brilliant.
    It took Bush being asleep at the wheel for seven years our economy to become screwed up, and it's taken another 7 years for it to repair itself. Sounds about right to me.

    What we don't need are anymore Bush recessions or Bush wars.
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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    It took Bush being asleep at the wheel for seven years our economy to become screwed up, and it's taken another 7 years for it to repair itself. Sounds about right to me.

    What we don't need are anymore Bush recessions or Bush wars.
    Again, it is absolutely stunning that people like you still cannot get over Bush and use your perceptions to ignore the actual Obama results. It wasn't the Bush war it was passed by a Democrat controlled Senate 76-23.

    It is amazing to me that when we were told that less than 5% unemployment, less than 500,000 discouraged workers, strong positive economic growth, 400 billion in deficits that this was the worst economy since Hoover, yet today with more than 700,000 discouraged workers, over 5% unemployment, a record 8.2 trillion added to the debt, stagnant economic growth, Obama's results are trumpeted and the best you can do is distort the Bush record. What is it about Obama supporters that create such a very selective memory and such loyal support?

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    re: U.S. Unemployment Falls to Lowest Level Since May 2008[W:489, 497]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Again, it is absolutely stunning that people like you still cannot get over Bush and use your perceptions to ignore the actual Obama results. It wasn't the Bush war it was passed by a Democrat controlled Senate 76-23.

    It is amazing to me that when we were told that less than 5% unemployment, less than 500,000 discouraged workers, strong positive economic growth, 400 billion in deficits that this was the worst economy since Hoover, yet today with more than 700,000 discouraged workers, over 5% unemployment, a record 8.2 trillion added to the debt, stagnant economic growth, Obama's results are trumpeted and the best you can do is distort the Bush record. What is it about Obama supporters that create such a very selective memory and such loyal support?
    Nothing is good or bad without something to compare it to. I otherwords, nothing is absolute. Presidential performance is just the same.

    Like if I told you that I am 6 kritans tall and weigh 200 zigars, that would mean nothing in itself. It's only when you understand the units of measurement, and have some sort of baseline concept that my height of 6 kritans and weight of 200 zigars means anything.

    Most conservatives seem to be OK with the performance of our country under Bush, thus they set an exceptionally low baseline. Compared to that baseline, Obummer is a wonderful POTUS. Now if you compared Obummer to a different president, like Reagan, then depending on the metric, Obummer could still be wonderful, or he could be terrible.

    In my opinion, Obummer is the worst Dem president during my lifetime, and Reagan was the best republican president. I find it hillarious when people compare Obummer to Reagan (the worst of one set to the best of a different set), a better comparison would be Obummer to W Bush (the worst of each set).
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