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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    That's like saying you believe the sky is blue. A true description of your opinions, but not the contested point.
    You want the ministers of a religion to be unable to obey its precepts. There's nothing wrong with that if the religion is false. The truth should hold a special place in the law, and falsehood should have no privileges under the law. I'd are completely with what I've just said.
    I want the minsters of a religion to be unable to shield pedophiles. If your God thinks it is okay for a person to remain silent about something like that then it is most definitely a false God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I'm not saying you shouldn't want leftism to be legally favored and Catholicism restricted, but you should see what you're arguing for, and thereby understand why people like me would want our understanding of the truth to be legally supported, and other systems restricted.
    I didn't know fighting against pedophilia was considered leftism. I guess it's nice to know I'm definitely with the good guys.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    And is there any indication that these violent killers regret what they did and realize they were wrong?

    If not, religious mercy is unwarranted.

    And regardless of religion, these evil and dangerous killers still belong in a prison.
    Also true. Reconciliation ultimately cannot be granted without some show of genuine remorse.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    The church is barely what might be considered acceptable to exist by legal technicality.
    Yea... I'm with Paleocon on this one (and, believe me, I hate it when that happens).

    What, precisely, are you suggesting here?
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 05-07-15 at 06:22 PM.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I want the minsters of a religion to be unable to shield pedophiles. If your God thinks it is okay for a person to remain silent about something like that then it is most definitely a false God.
    Now you're thinking straight forwardly (still wrong, but more logical than before). You believe that the worship of a false deity should be legally restricted. I agree. We disagree about what the truth is, but we both agree that the truth should be favored over error.

    I didn't know fighting against pedophilia was considered leftism. I guess it's nice to know I'm definitely with the good guys.
    Now you're back to the illogicality. We're both against pedophilia, that's not the point in dispute.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Now you're back to the illogicality. We're both against pedophilia, that's not the point in dispute.
    You're only against pedophilia if being against it doesn't interfere with your religion. Your religion is more important to you than prosecuting people that rape children. Unlike you I am against it absolutely.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Yea... I'm with Paleocon on this one (and, believe me, I hate it when that happens).

    What, precisely, are you suggesting here?
    She is suggesting what the vast majority of people throughout history would find completely unobjectionable. That what she believes to be false should be legally suppressed. She just has a different view of the truth than the vast majority of people throughout history.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    It is a nice gesture, but, it is all BS anyway. If your church can just arbitrarily do this (or sell indulgences) whenever they deem it to be an extra special super Holy Year, then it is just proof that religion is man made, and this is just a marketing ploy. I did a lot of years as a RC, did K-12 in Catholic school, I was well educated, but I found the entire religion to be bollocks.
    There is nothing "special" going on here other than the public nature of the gesture itself.

    Any sinner can be granted forgiveness at any time, just so long as they make the effort to seek it out. The Pope is simply reminding us all of that fact.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Unlike you I am against it absolutely.
    No. I'm quite sure there are things you would be unwilling to do to stop it.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    No. I'm quite sure there are things you would be unwilling to do to stop it.
    How do you think the church should deal with pedophilia?

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Note that I'm not actually trying to convince that my POV is true right now, I know that's not practically possible. I'm just trying to help you think this through logically.

    For one, it doesn't matter that the Pope wears a hat, that literally is of no significance here at all.

    Second, confessors do not cover for their penitents, if a priest keeps a confession secret, it's no different in its effects than if the confession never occurred. The conduct you're arguing for a law against, is simply the keeping of secrecy. Which is fine, organizations which are harmful to society should not have legally recognized secrecy. I'd fully support requiring Masons to divulge the content of their ceremonies, for insurance. But if you're going to call for a group to be required to do things they can't comply with, you should at least be upfront about the fact that you want them suppressed.
    There is no logical way in which protecting pedophile enablers can be explained logically.

    Ah, so you think Catholics should be the only people who don't have to obey civilized ethics because... voodoo? Why does no one else's voodoo count but yours? Why are other people's voodoo beliefs harmful, and yours aren't?

    There's nowhere left to go with this conversation. You think people can logically protect pedophiles. That is a conversation ender.

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