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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I think positive reinforcement can be a good thing. I also think most people that had a problem with the church before Pope Francis still have a problem with it now, despite possibly giving props to the Pope for attempting to take the church out of the middle ages. I think future popes might see how popular Francis was and attempt to follow that trend.
    Well, the reality is Pope Francis hasn't done much. Paleocon is not wrong; there's only one unforgivable sin, and abortion was never it. He is not doing anything new at all. He is just a better speaker than most recent popes. He's being praised for empty speeches, not real change. So he sounds better while peddling the same draconian nonsense. Whooptie-do.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The Church has always offered forgiveness to sinners of all types. There is no change.
    Compared to $cientology, which has a price list for everything in the religion, the higher up you go, the more you pay!

    Gotta hand it to them, they had a good model for soaking their people for all they had to find out secret information...at least until the internet came around, and you can read all the OT levels...
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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Yeah, but it still seems silly that, because it is holy year, and because a special representative has some kind of supernatural power, he can mumble some words and wave his hands and revoke someone's ticket to hell.

    Symbolism
    Obviously, in that gods and hell and supernatural things are all nonsense. But the power of such a big and wealthy organization cannot be denied and so it is better to use it for good than for evil, so I applaud any step that would push it in a positive direction. As I said earlier and as SnM pointed out, there's still a looooooong way to go.
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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well, the reality is Pope Francis hasn't done much. Paleocon is not wrong; there's only one unforgivable sin, and abortion was never it. He is not doing anything new at all. He is just a better speaker than most recent popes. He's being praised for empty speeches, not real change. So he sounds better while peddling the same draconian nonsense. Whooptie-do.
    He's working on changing perspective. People would flip if the Pope suddenly came out in favor of everything you would require the church to do in order to join the civilized world; it wouldn't work. He has to be subtle.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    excommunication is a perversion when compared to abortion
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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    He's working on changing perspective. If the Pope suddenly came out in favor of everything you would require the church to do in order to join the civilized world people would flip; it wouldn't work. He has to be subtle.
    Ok. I'm still not going to praise what is basically same-old, same-old -- literally no change at all. It's not good enough. It's not anything at all, in fact. It is not news to anyone that the Catholic Church offers "forgiveness" to women who abort.

    The only thing that is new is that, now, he is apparently targeting women who are trying to escape the Church. And if anything, I find that to be a step backwards, as though the Church has any right to decide whether a given woman will or won't be in it. They don't consent to being in the Church. Leave them alone.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Obviously, in that gods and hell and supernatural things are all nonsense. But the power of such a big and wealthy organization cannot be denied and so it is better to use it for good than for evil, so I applaud any step that would push it in a positive direction. As I said earlier and as SnM pointed out, there's still a looooooong way to go.
    It is a nice gesture, but, it is all BS anyway. If your church can just arbitrarily do this (or sell indulgences) whenever they deem it to be an extra special super Holy Year, then it is just proof that religion is man made, and this is just a marketing ploy. I did a lot of years as a RC, did K-12 in Catholic school, I was well educated, but I found the entire religion to be bollocks.
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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    In some respects, yes. It is operating criminal cover for paedophiles, and has been for decades, and in that respect, it absolutely needs to be "suppressed," by which I mean all people who have committed, covered for, or ignored these activities need to be sent to prison. They need to be dealt with as aggressively as possible so the Church gets the message that we will not permit this to continue.

    Otherwise, as pertains to their questionable ethical positions and negative advocacy in the world, I think they deserve to be either ignored or openly criticized, and considered unwelcome at the table of civilized nation states, since the Vatican fancies itself a sovereign.
    I get that it contradicts your most fundamental beliefs to admit that those beliefs require suppressing dissent, but let's continue with this.

    Since you make wildly inaccurate claims (operating cover for pedophiles), I assume that you're referring to something else, probably the seal of confession, is that correct?

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I get that it contradicts your most fundamental beliefs to admit that those beliefs require suppressing dissent, but let's continue with this.

    Since you make wildly inaccurate claims (operating cover for pedophiles), I assume that you're referring to something else, probably the seal of confession, is that correct?
    No. I'm simply talking about the working MO of the Catholic Church over the last 50+ years or so. It has been well aware of organized pedophilia in its ranks all over the world for at least that long (if not much longer) and has done very little, sometimes actively protecting known pedophiles. It's not my problem if you wish to bury your head in the sand, and since no fruitful debate can be held with you in that position, I won't bother until such a time as you pull it out again.

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    Re: Pope Francis will send ‘missionaries of mercy’ to absolve women of abortion ‘sin’

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No. I'm simply talking about the working MO of the Catholic Church over the last 50+ years or so. It has been well aware of organized pedophilia in its ranks all over the world for at least that long (if not much longer) and has done very little, sometimes actively protecting known pedophiles. It's not my problem if you wish to bury your head in the sand, and since no fruitful debate can be held with you in that position, I won't bother until such a time as you pull it out again.
    So again, exactly what measures should be taken against the Church?

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