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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    I don't earn enough to pay for the entire program myself, so I would need some help. If someone solicited a donation from me on the street and I had some cash on me, I'd probably throw them $20 or something like that because I can afford it, but what you're really trying to do here is have a conversation about taxation in general. it is valid to believe that government does not have the right to take money from people and give it to others, but if you accept that it's okay for a government to do that, then this program is an obvious example of a good way for government to spend its money because it actually saves the taxpayers money in the long run.
    A $20 we have our first donor, if every democrat that made over $50k in CO donated $20 you would have $14.7 mil in funding. Doesnt seem so hard, wonder if your fellow liberals are so generous.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    but by giving them birth control for free, isn't that effectively trying to end the poverty cycle by preventing unwanted pregnancies? you really picked a bad program to stake this argument on.
    no because birth control isnt %100 effective and eventually they do want children, they will end up with a kid anyways and teach them the same irresponsible behavior that they never learned was wrong

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Have the tried to get donors? how much are you willing to donate to the program?
    Maybe you'd like to contribute to "the Faith Based Initiative". My wallet would would breath a sigh of relief.
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Yeah, they should choose to be rich instead.
    Having personal responsibility often leads to being rich, well not always rich but not poor

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado | Denver Sun Times

    Republicans in the Colorado Senate killed an effort this week to set aside funding for a birth control program that provides IUDs to low-income women. The Colorado Family Planning Initiative has been praised for contributing to a 40 percent drop in teen births over the last five years. The program, previously funded by a private donor, won an award in Washington, D.C. just days ago.
    The conservative mind dwells in contradiction it seems.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    A $20 we have our first donor, if every democrat that made over $50k in CO donated $20 you would have $14.7 mil in funding. Doesnt seem so hard, wonder if your fellow liberals are so generous.
    well I'm no democrat, but I'm surprised you know how many democrats in CO earn over $50k.

    how do you know that exactly? and again, what you're arguing against here is taxation in general. since we don't all get to pick and choose which programs our tax dollars go to, we all end up paying for certain programs we don't 100% support. it's how government works. I'd love it if I could direct my taxes 100% towards public education funding but I don't get to make that choice because that's how the world works.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    we have a program which is privately funded, which reduces pregnancy by 40%,...so we have people who like the program and say....."lets expand it to the tax payers and make them pay also".
    I feel much better, my tax dollars funding program's that help prevent unwanted pregnancy then funding program's which constitute killing people and destroying property which conservatives hand full support. Wtf is wrong with people anyway?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    no because birth control isnt %100 effective and eventually they do want children, they will end up with a kid anyways and teach them the same irresponsible behavior that they never learned was wrong
    okay so if it's only 90% effective then it will help 90% of the people who get it. that's better than 0%. and wouldn't you agree that a child whose parents actually intended to have them has a better shot at being a productive member of society later on in life than one that was born to a teen mom who isn't yet ready?

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Having personal responsibility often leads to being rich, well not always rich but not poor
    Having personal responsibility also leads to jail, so what's your point?
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    well I'm no democrat, but I'm surprised you know how many democrats in CO earn over $50k.

    how do you know that exactly?
    Well its just an estimate. I took the number of voters in the 2012 presidential election in CO and then took the number that made over 50k (60% of them) and then took the number that voted for Obama (49% of that 60%). Obviously not everyone who voted for Obama is a democrat but most are, even if they dont admit it, and there were plenty who didnt vote, so I'd say the number is somewhere in the ballpark

    and again, what you're arguing against here is taxation in general. since we don't all get to pick and choose which programs our tax dollars go to, we all end up paying for certain programs we don't 100% support. it's how government works. I'd love it if I could direct my taxes 100% towards public education funding but I don't get to make that choice because that's how the world works.
    No I'm arguing against a whole class of govt spending, charity, govt programs should try to be of some benefit to all. Charity is better left in private hands even with our taxation we still manage to give quite a lot of money to charities

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