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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Very minimal stake, honestly
    maybe, but you'd have even less of a stake in the free birth control program. it's cheaper than welfare.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    maybe, but you'd have even less of a stake in the free birth control program. it's cheaper than welfare.
    Doubt it. But in either case, it's the principle of the matter. Other people's sex lives are not my responsibility, and I won't support free govt handouts of contraception under any circumstances.

    I also don't believe in welfare as I think soup kitchens and shelters do just fine.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Doubt it. But in either case, it's the principle of the matter. Other people's sex lives are not my responsibility, and I won't support free govt handouts of contraception under any circumstances.

    I also don't believe in welfare as I think soup kitchens and shelters do just fine.
    and there we have it. you don't care what works or what the reality of the situation is. it's just your ideology that matters.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    did I say **** the constitution? we were talking about the merits of the program. then you realized you had no position, so you've started harping on a different issue.
    The merits are immaterial in regards to tax payer funding.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    we're footing the bill because it saves us money! if we didn't foot the bill we'd end up paying more! it's not a question of should or shouldn't it's a question of math.
    Or, we could ask "why are we subsidizing poor choices"
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    and there we have it. you don't care what works or what the reality of the situation is. it's just your ideology that matters.
    "It's cheaper than welfare" isn't a compelling reason to pay for someone else's birth control. Exposing children at birth is also cheaper than letting them live and be on welfare, too. So is selling babies to other countries. Or sterilizing people on welfare.
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    My tax dollars don't need to be paying for your kid's contraception.

    Be a parent and teach her to keep her legs closed until she can afford her own condoms.

    Your daughter's sex life isn't my problem or responsibility
    Reasonable ideology, but impractical. And I am not asking for someone to pay for my kids contraception, this is not something personal where anecdotal notions mean much.

    Just a reality of society that "abstinence" only attitudes end up causing a rise in teen pregnancies in today's society. Colorado adopted a mentality and an initiative that contributed largely to a 40% drop in teen births over a five year period. In concert with wise education what they accomplished was remarkable. Then Republicans come along with your ideology and dismantled it. There is only one plausible outcome, a rise in teen pregnancies.

    This is reality, which supersedes your ideology. Your best intentions perhaps works in a family setting, perhaps as well in certain communities and perhaps church settings. But, has no expectation of being something reasonable to apply to the whole as Colorado proved being smart about this (over being ideological about it) made a difference.

    Unfortunate that in this case ideology trumped basic logic and empirical data.
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    "It's cheaper than welfare" isn't a compelling reason to pay for someone else's birth control. Exposing children at birth is also cheaper than letting them live and be on welfare, too. So is selling babies to other countries. Or sterilizing people on welfare.
    right, but all of those other things you're talking about are immoral. giving folks the option to get birth control for free if they want it isn't immoral.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    we're footing the bill because it saves us money! if we didn't foot the bill we'd end up paying more! it's not a question of should or shouldn't it's a question of math.
    Once again, no. The welfare funding is limited and set to a certain amount. We're just talking about how many folks will have access to the same dollar pool. Cramming more in the pool doesn't change the overall physical size of the pool itself.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Or, we could ask "why are we subsidizing poor choices"
    ...because it saves us money to do so. although I'd actually argue that subsidizing birth control is subsidizing good choices, unless you believe that birth control is a bad choice for someone to make.

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