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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ummmm how is this a "freebie"? And if you mean "freebie" by possibly having to purchase IUD's from a private company via government contract, I mean, you do realize that this is how our government all around, and many state governments all around function? Example construction contracts for roads, construction contracts for new buildings, etc...
    Given by a private donor. Which is precisely how corporations who want state contracts for their goods do a test market. It's the hook. Provide free, but limited funding for certain equipment, getting sold on it's use, relying on it and boom, you have a new large state contract.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Given by a private donor. Which is precisely how corporations who want state contracts for their goods do a test market. It's the hook. Provide free, but limited funding for certain equipment, getting sold on it's use, relying on it and boom, you have a new large state contract.
    what's wrong with that if the outcome is beneficial?

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Republicans don't want to help poor people have access to contraception or abortions, and when their children are born they complain about poor people breeding.
    Yep, and because there will be more poor and uneducated people which means more crime the Republicans will spend 100's of billions on more cops, more courts, more prisons. Pay me now or pay me MUCH more later.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Basically, you tally up your income and then take deductions that the government isn't allowed to tax you on. So, there is no subsidy involved at all. The government doesn't give you money, you give the government money, they just take less of it depending on what your taxable income ends up being.

    And, they don't ever save money, they spend it, more than they should, and none of it belongs to the government. It's ours.
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Given by a private donor.
    Anonymous private grant. You're really hinging on this "cronyism" card arent you? Even though there is literally no evidence that points that direction..

    Which is precisely how corporations who want state contracts for their goods do a test market.
    Apparently you dont understand how a RFPs work...

    It's the hook. Provide free, but limited funding for certain equipment, getting sold on it's use, relying on it and boom, you have a new large state contract.
    So any evidence to actually back up any of these claims?
    I really didnt know it was common practice for private organizations to give legal grants to state governments in hopes of future contracts...
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    what's wrong with that if the outcome is beneficial?
    One, it rarely is beneficial for anyone but the company. Two, again, IUDs are not as safe under general conditions as the company spin doctors are reporting. If you're relatively sedentary, have a long term stable relationship and no chance of STDs, they're good, or at least some of them are.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Anonymous private grant. You're really hinging on this "cronyism" card arent you? Even though there is literally no evidence that points that direction..
    Nope, not cronyism. A tried and true sales technique.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Apparently you dont understand how a RFPs work...
    Oh, I do. And any other issue you'd be arguing against this **** flying.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So any evidence to actually back up any of these claims?
    I really didnt know it was common practice for private organizations to give legal grants to state governments in hopes of future contracts...
    Talk to any police force, and fire departments anywhere. They get grant offers from private companies all the time. Taser manufacturers did it. As do armor manufacturers.

    Heck, even the federal government does it in their own way. Right now any county government can apply for a federal grant to hire more police officers. Of course the grant is a one time deal and it only covers the first nine months of hiring a new officer and the county is on the hook thereafter. But hey, it's FREE and has a short term good outcome.
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    the real question is if it was such a successful private program why did the govt take it over?
    Wonder how many millions it saved in medical costs, welfare and such. bets are enough to have paid for the program.
    5 Million in costs.
    Now if it saves money, why would the Republicans be against that. Right they want to control lives.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Wonder how many millions it saved in medical costs, welfare and such. bets are enough to have paid for the program.
    5 Million in costs.
    Now if it saves money, why would the Republicans be against that. Right they want to control lives.
    Wait ten or fifteen years and show us how much it COST in medical and welfare costs. Of course by then those costs will be borne by the affected individuals (the poor) who went the IUD route (hey, it was FREE!) and are now sterile or had their reproductive systems and general health compromised. But hey, sterilizing poor people is a good thing, right? That's what the left wants, right?

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope, not cronyism. A tried and true sales technique.
    Oh, I do. And any other issue you'd be arguing against this **** flying.


    Talk to any police force, and fire departments anywhere. They get grant offers from private companies all the time. Taser manufacturers did it. As do armor manufacturers.

    Heck, even the federal government does it in their own way. Right now any county government can apply for a federal grant to hire more police officers. Of course the grant is a one time deal and it only covers the first nine months of hiring a new officer and the county is on the hook thereafter. But hey, it's FREE and has a short term good outcome.
    So essentially we are not arguing about really anything and essentially agreeing. Now do you think the state should move forward with the policy?
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