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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When I was a youngster both my girlfriend and latter my wife successfully used IUD's. Immunisations are accompanied with risks, but I support them as well. And I do not have issues with big Pharma if my government installs consumer protection laws that defend me from predatory practices, see?
    Yeah, when I was younger we had a game to see who could hold on to the lit firecracker longest. I never blew MY fingers off. I still didn't let my daughter play that game.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Looks like Colorado Republicans want to go with the Crane Public School in West Texas model of “Abstinence-Only” education... you know, the one where there was an eventual outbreak of Chlamydia.

    In this case it appears they are looking for a sister idea that will balloon teen pregnancies.
    So explain to me how an IUD stops Chlamydia...
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    hey now, I answered your question and you haven't answered mine yet. that doesn't seem fair.

    do you believe that taking away free birth control will lead to increased responsibility or better outcomes for society?
    I doubt it, something else would have to be done instead.

    do you believe that taking away free birth control will save the taxpayers money in the long-run?
    No way of knowing that one.
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, when I was younger we had a game to see who could hold on to the lit firecracker longest. I never blew MY fingers off. I still didn't let my daughter play that game.
    I wouldn't either. Contraception and immunisations are just like firecrackers.
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I doubt it, something else would have to be done instead.
    like what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No way of knowing that one.
    well that's why I used the word "believe". I guess this means you think it's a 50/50 chance whether or not it would save money? either way, if we know how much the program cuts down on unwanted teen pregnancies, and if we quantify how much unwanted teen pregnancies cost the taxpayers, then we can absolutely know the answer to that one.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    And why cant they find more private donors to expand the program?
    Because grant money only gets you so far. By your logic we should just expand everything with private grant money, not actual public expenditures. The program was limited, and now they are wanting to make it state wide. You should not, and in this case probably cannot expand this program statewide based solely and relying solely on private grant money. Its unrealistic and just not doable if you want to rely on private grant money to fund a whole statewide program.


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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So explain to me how an IUD stops Chlamydia...
    Read the entire post and try again.
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    like what?



    well that's why I used the word "believe". I guess this means you think it's a 50/50 chance whether or not it would save money? either way, if we know how much the program cuts down on unwanted teen pregnancies, and if we quantify how much unwanted teen pregnancies cost the taxpayers, then we can absolutely know the answer to that one.
    The real question is how to cut down on teen pregnancies and not just give out free birth control (free to them, not to me). I mean, will these people only use BC if it's free? Is it really that expensive? Whatever is done, it should discourage teen pregnancy, not give them free stuff. They should be made to pay for it in some way.
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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The real question is how to cut down on teen pregnancies and not just give out free birth control (free to them, not to me). I mean, will these people only use BC if it's free? Is it really that expensive? Whatever is done, it should discourage teen pregnancy, not give them free stuff. They should be made to pay for it in some way.
    what if the people who are obtaining the free BC are too dumb or irresponsible to respond to other incentives? it sounds like you're more just against giving away free stuff than you are in producing a beneficial outcome.

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    Re: Republicans kill successful birth-control program in Colorado

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You write off percentages, and the government pays you based on those percentages. So there's a public subsidy that the government could save a lot of money on.
    Basically, you tally up your income and then take deductions that the government isn't allowed to tax you on. So, there is no subsidy involved at all. The government doesn't give you money, you give the government money, they just take less of it depending on what your taxable income ends up being.

    And, they don't ever save money, they spend it, more than they should, and none of it belongs to the government. It's ours.
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