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WTOP said:
WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency program that collected telephone call information on billions of calls is illegal, the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals ruled.
The federal appeals court said the law Congress passed to allow information relevant to terrorism investigations to be collected does not authorize the “bulk collection” of phone records on the scale of the NSA program, POLITICO reports.
The three-judge panel did not address whether the NSA program violated the Constitution.

NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules - WTOP


This is hot off the presses.... USAToday and Politico is corroborating the story. Ultimately the vast collection of big data which is being collected for possible use in the future, is not legal according to the 2nd Circuit appeals court. IMO it never was and is lazy and unconstitutional. Let's see if this gets escalated further and finally ends up on the SCOTUS desk.
 
Federal Court: Bulk Collection Of Phone Metadata Is Illegal

The National Security Agency's bulk collection of data about Americans' telephone calls goes beyond what Congress intended when it wrote section 215 of the USA Patriot Act, a federal appeals court ruled on Thursday.The court was asked to consider whether the program violated the constitution. Instead, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit punted on the constitutional claim, deciding the program was simply not authorized by federal law.
The court wrote that one of the big reasons it is hard to discern congressional intent in this case is because the bulk collection program has been shrouded in secrecy. So it cannot "reasonably be said" that Congress Okayed "a program of which many members of Congress – and all members of the public – were not aware."


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:applaudWoah! Did not see that one coming! But hey, great news for privacy! Hope this gives some momentum for more lawsuits and rulings that are similar in the future!
 
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Conservatives will be outraged at this ruling defending American privacy no doubt.
 
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Conservatives will be outraged at this ruling defending American privacy no doubt.

Why would conservatives be outraged? This is something that has only gotten worse under Obama.
 
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More info here: Appeals Court Rules NSA Phone Program Not Authorized by Patriot Act - WSJ
WASHINGTON—A federal appeals court ruled Thursday the National Security Agency’s controversial collection of millions of Americans’ phone records isn’t authorized by the Patriot Act, as the Bush and Obama administrations have long maintained.

The NSA has used the Patriot Act to justify collecting records of nearly every call made in the U.S. and entering them into a database to search for possible contacts among terrorism suspects.

The scope of the program was revealed when former NSA contractor Edward Snowden leaked documents describing the program, triggering a national debate over the extent of the data collection.

The ruling by the three-judge panel in New York comes at a delicate point in the national debate over government surveillance, as Section 215 of the Patriot Act is due to expire next month and lawmakers are haggling about whether to renew it, modify it, or let it lapse.
 
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Conservatives will be outraged at this ruling defending American privacy no doubt.

I haven't seen this particular case break on partisan lines. It seems to be more of a "statist/libertarian" thing, to use the terms loosley. Lefties and Righties come in both flavors.
 
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Why would conservatives be outraged? This is something that has only gotten worse under Obama.
Thanks for proving my point and ignoring that "foot in the door" principle.
 
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Thanks for proving my point and ignoring that "foot in the door" principle.

Unless your point was that liberals perform even worse on unconstitutional matters than conservatives, think again.
 
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:applaudWoah! Did not see that one coming! But hey, great news for privacy! Hope this gives some momentum for more lawsuits and rulings that are similar in the future! [/FONT][/COLOR]

Finally, the voice of reason. Too bad that ole (D) and (R) have found so many ways around the Bill of Rights that it has almost become a worthless addition to the Constitution.
 
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Good start. Now, let's repeal the rest of the so called "Patriot Act" and restore the Fourth Amendment. Perhaps when we're through, we can start on the Fifth, maybe even the Tenth.
 
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Good start. Now, let's repeal the rest of the so called "Patriot Act" and restore the Fourth Amendment. Perhaps when we're through, we can start on the Fifth, maybe even the Tenth.

yea and we will repeal obamacare for violating the limited powers clause of the constitution as well. won't happen.
 
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yea and we will repeal obamacare for violating the limited powers clause of the constitution as well. won't happen.

And what moron would wish to do that?

The ACA was enacted to increase the quality and affordability of health insurance, lower the uninsured rate by expanding public and private insurance coverage, and reduce the costs of healthcare for individuals and the government. It introduced mechanisms like mandates, subsidies, and insurance exchanges.[1][2] The law requires insurance companies to cover all applicants within new minimum standards and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or sex.[3] Additional reforms were increased competition, regulation, and incentives to streamline the delivery of healthcare. In 2011 the Congressional Budget Office projected that the ACA would lower both future deficits[4] and Medicare spending.
 
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Yes indeed. But will this see an end to it?

What it means is that the ACLU suit against NSA, rejected by the lower court, will now be able to proceed. That's the way I understand it anyway.
 
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What it means is that the ACLU suit against NSA, rejected by the lower court, will now be able to proceed. That's the way I understand it anyway.

Great. Glad to hear you're a supporter of the ACLU.
 
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And what moron would wish to do that?

The ACA was enacted to increase the quality and affordability of health insurance, lower the uninsured rate by expanding public and private insurance coverage, and reduce the costs of healthcare for individuals and the government. It introduced mechanisms like mandates, subsidies, and insurance exchanges.[1][2] The law requires insurance companies to cover all applicants within new minimum standards and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or sex.[3] Additional reforms were increased competition, regulation, and incentives to streamline the delivery of healthcare. In 2011 the Congressional Budget Office projected that the ACA would lower both future deficits[4] and Medicare spending.

I'm no moron however I support repeal of Obamacare. It does not fall with in any of the powers of Congress.

Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

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I'm no moron however I support repeal of Obamacare. It does not fall with in any of the powers of Congress.



US Constitution Text

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was essentially written by a right wing think tank, the Heritage Foundation, was practiced by a republican governor in Massachusetts, and received the blessings of the Supreme Court. What's your beef, hmm?
 
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And what moron would wish to do that?

The ACA was enacted to increase the quality and affordability of health insurance, lower the uninsured rate by expanding public and private insurance coverage, and reduce the costs of healthcare for individuals and the government. It introduced mechanisms like mandates, subsidies, and insurance exchanges.[1][2] The law requires insurance companies to cover all applicants within new minimum standards and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or sex.[3] Additional reforms were increased competition, regulation, and incentives to streamline the delivery of healthcare. In 2011 the Congressional Budget Office projected that the ACA would lower both future deficits[4] and Medicare spending.

please read what was responding to.

PS still waiting on my 2500 premium reduction instead of the 50% plus increase I have had in the past 2 years.
 
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The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was essentially written by a right wing think tank, the Heritage Foundation, was practiced by a republican governor in Massachusetts, and received the blessings of the Supreme Court. What's your beef, hmm?

No, Obamacare Wasn't a "Republican" Proposal
yet another lie from the left.

Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993? | PunditFact
That said, the Senate plan from 1993 was not identical to the health care law that passed in 2010. The Republican bill did not expand Medicaid as Obamacare does, and it did have medical malpractice tort reform, which the current law does not. In contrast to the current employer mandate, the Chafee bill required employers to offer insurance, but they were under no obligation to help pay for it.

this so called bill was scuttled and never even made the rest of it is nonsense from politifact bias.
no one voted for the 90's bill that was introduced.

so can we finally stop with the liberal lie that obamcare is a republican idea?
 
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Lets get back on topic people. Which is not Obamacare. Sorry that I also let myself be drawn into it also.
 
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