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    Independent candidates are not demonstrably any better than what we have right now. You think they're just going to be magic. I think they'll just be more of the same.
    Oh, oh, oh its magic. No, it will be different, check their platforms. And while he's running as a democrat, Bernie Sanders will be as different to the party as Ron Paul would have been to the GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I agree with that but we've got a government right now that not only discourages dishonesty, it requires it. If you want to get anywhere, you have to get your hands dirty, you have to let other candidates pad the bills, feather their own nests and you have to do the same thing otherwise your constituents won't re-elect you. Government inherently corrupts all who become involved with it. The only way to change that is to essentially flush 200 years of American government and start over the way the founding fathers intended. I don't see that happening any time soon.
    Well, on that we might agree. As a matter of fact, one of them even said as much, though he thought it should be every 20 years.
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    The government has always spied on the people. I think it would be in everyones best interest to keep it illegal. That way we can at least maintain the illusion of freedom.

    At least we will still have all the check points in this country. I feel much safer with the SS I mean NSA keeping us safe from the socialist I mean terrorist.:

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    Re: NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, oh, oh its magic. No, it will be different, check their platforms. And while he's running as a democrat, Bernie Sanders will be as different to the party as Ron Paul would have been to the GOP.
    It's too bad you have no idea how American politics actually operates, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's too bad you have no idea how American politics actually operates, isn't it?
    What a duck and dive. That's an interesting way to make your point. Apparently in your defeatist mind, were stuck, doomed to the ass and the elephant forever. I wonder, are you as vocal when republicans pass bills without reading them, or are you a fair and balanced, non partisan advocate for truth and justice.
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    At any rate, we must basque in the pleasure of the court ruling what many of us readily knew all along, that the NSA, as warned by the Church committee 40 odd years ago, was being used by consecutive administrations illegally against all American citizens!! Now, will the NSA be instructed to cease this illegal behavior?
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    No it will not, for the tail is wagging the dog....

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    Re: NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What a duck and dive. That's an interesting way to make your point. Apparently in your defeatist mind, were stuck, doomed to the ass and the elephant forever. I wonder, are you as vocal when republicans pass bills without reading them, or are you a fair and balanced, non partisan advocate for truth and justice.
    It has nothing to do with defeatism, it has to do with realism. You seem to think that electing some third party candidates is going to magically change decades and decades and decades of corruption in Washington. It's just not going to happen. And yes, I am absolutely vocal when anyone votes for anything without reading it, they're not doing their job. I'm not beholden to any party, only to honesty and reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It has nothing to do with defeatism, it has to do with realism. You seem to think that electing some third party candidates is going to magically change decades and decades and decades of corruption in Washington. It's just not going to happen. And yes, I am absolutely vocal when anyone votes for anything without reading it, they're not doing their job. I'm not beholden to any party, only to honesty and reality.
    Where is it that I told you that third party candidates are magicians with power to overturn a century of American political corruption? You eat an elephant one bite at a time.
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