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    Re: NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, and why don't we do that? Because we keep sending the smart ass or the dumb elephant to office.
    There isn't anyone else to send, no matter who else you pick, because both sides would stop anyone else you sent from ever getting anything done. You'd have to entirely replace the government to make a difference. Do you really think that will ever be likely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There isn't anyone else to send, no matter who else you pick, because both sides would stop anyone else you sent from ever getting anything done. You'd have to entirely replace the government to make a difference. Do you really think that will ever be likely?
    Ok. So why are we here? If we're going to continue doing the same thing hoping for a different result, somebody said something about that once. When are we going to demand that bills are read before they are voted upon?
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    Re: NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok. So why are we here? If we're going to continue doing the same thing hoping for a different result, somebody said something about that once. When are we going to demand that bills are read before they are voted upon?
    I don't know who you're arguing with, I've already said we need to require all bills to be read by the actual elected official before they're voted on.
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    Russ Feingold was the only principled man in the US Senate, the only man to vote against the travesty that is the Unpatriot Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't know who you're arguing with, I've already said we need to require all bills to be read by the actual elected official before they're voted on.
    Right, that's been being said for how long now with no results, and yet the same two parties of stooges keep being recycled. Until Americans bench these two and vote independent, we'll continue to get the same.
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    Re: NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There isn't anyone else to send, no matter who else you pick, because both sides would stop anyone else you sent from ever getting anything done. You'd have to entirely replace the government to make a difference. Do you really think that will ever be likely?
    Well, we could start voting for the candidate rather than for the party, but no, that would require the voters to actually know who they're voting for, what the issues are, and where the candidates stand on those issues. That's way too much for the voters to do.
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    Re: NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Russ Feingold was the only principled man in the US Senate, the only man to vote against the travesty that is the Unpatriot Act.
    True HD. However, there were two men who could have prevented it from ever even coming to a vote, Tom Daschel and Patrick Leahy. They both were stuttering on it, having concerns about it, and they both had their offices anthraxed with anthrax that originated from an eastern army base. That case was never solved, both those men immediately came on board and the bill was passed, and dumb ass Americans have once again dismissed, forgotten about or accepted it as just one more coincidence!!
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    Re: NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True HD. However, there were two men who could have prevented it from ever even coming to a vote, Tom Daschel and Patrick Leahy. They both were stuttering on it, having concerns about it, and they both had their offices anthraxed with anthrax that originated from an eastern army base. That case was never solved, both those men immediately came on board and the bill was passed, and dumb ass Americans have once again dismissed, forgotten about or accepted it as just one more coincidence!!
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    Re: NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right, that's been being said for how long now with no results, and yet the same two parties of stooges keep being recycled. Until Americans bench these two and vote independent, we'll continue to get the same.
    Independent candidates are not demonstrably any better than what we have right now. You think they're just going to be magic. I think they'll just be more of the same.
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    Re: NSA collection of phone info illegal, court rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Well, we could start voting for the candidate rather than for the party, but no, that would require the voters to actually know who they're voting for, what the issues are, and where the candidates stand on those issues. That's way too much for the voters to do.
    I agree with that but we've got a government right now that not only discourages dishonesty, it requires it. If you want to get anywhere, you have to get your hands dirty, you have to let other candidates pad the bills, feather their own nests and you have to do the same thing otherwise your constituents won't re-elect you. Government inherently corrupts all who become involved with it. The only way to change that is to essentially flush 200 years of American government and start over the way the founding fathers intended. I don't see that happening any time soon.
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