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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    here's a pretty good comment from the website that sums up what I think of this:

    "Way to pin Kamela Harris to a story that has basically NOTHING to do with her. What's next: Citizen in Barack Obama's country kills puppy."

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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That California government would allow this to happen - yeah scary. Who funded this fake police force? Who equipped them? Follow the money.... anyone with a sense of history knows something like this unchecked starts looking like early 20th century fascist Europe's beginnings. Anyone not a little frightened at this is either ignorant or just as bizarre as those involved.
    except they didn't let it happen...they put a stop to it once they found out about it.

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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    except they didn't let it happen...they put a stop to it once they found out about it.
    But they did let it happen - this wasn't a conspiracy to create such a police force was it? Maybe I'm misunderstanding....

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    “I always see them with their uniforms, so I thought they were part of any department, I didn’t know it was a fake one,” she said.
    Let's find out some more information - if this was some conspiracy and these people bought their own equipment, uniforms, etc., and simply created this fictitious organization that's one thing - if money is tied to the Democrats in California like Harris, that's another entirely.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Unreal, the Masonic Fraternal Police Dept. ....these people were running around in California and telling people they are the First Police Dept in the World. That they go back to the Knights Templar. That they have SOVEREIGN Jurisdiction in 33 States. They were actually sending Letters out to Police Chiefs and communicating with them. What say ye?





    An aide to California Attorney General Kamala Harris and two others claiming to be part of the "Masonic Fraternal Police Department" and descendants of the Knights Templar were arrested last week on suspicion of impersonating police officers. Brandon Kiel, the deputy director of community affairs at the California Department of Justice, has been placed on administrative leave according to The Los Angeles Times. Two others, David Henry and Tonette Hayes, were also placed in custody.

    According to the Times, law enforcement officials first noticed something was amiss when several police chiefs in Southern California received a letter earlier this year that announced leadership positions for the group, which traces its origins to the mysterious medieval order known as the Knights Templar. The group claims it has sovereign jurisdiction in 33 states and Mexico, and that it has operated for thousands of years.....snip~

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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    California is fun and their elected officials are even funner.
    I didn't coin the phrase "land of fruits and nuts," but judging some of the crazy stuff their legislature and governor come up with, it's difficult to argue that it's not a true descriptive, especially when you consider they were over $100 billion dollars in debt in 2013 - the last year the numbers were published, to my knowledge - and they're still adding millions to it every year! No wonder so many businesses are fleeing to more tax-friendly States - they see the handwriting on the wall!

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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I didn't see any mention of squad cars.

    AP says Law Enforcement like Vehicles.....doesn't say squads.


    Deputies found ID cards, uniforms and law enforcement-like vehicles along with other official police equipment during their search of a home and office linked to the group, she said.....snip~

    3 accused of operating fictitious police department

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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    But they did let it happen - this wasn't a conspiracy to create such a police force was it? Maybe I'm misunderstanding....



    Let's find out some more information - if this was some conspiracy and these people bought their own equipment, uniforms, etc., and simply created this fictitious organization that's one thing - if money is tied to the Democrats in California like Harris, that's another entirely.
    it sounds to me like they put a stop to it as soon as they found out about it and will be making more arrests. ask yourself what's most likely here: crazy people acting crazy? or some big conspiracy to create a secret police force that has a weird website full of grammatical errors which then sends out letters to real police departments alerting them to their existence and setting up meetings?

    seriously, if it's a conspiracy, they must not have been trying very hard.

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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    California is fun and their elected officials are even funner.
    Mornin TB. I had a reeeeeeaaaal good time, when I was living out there. Of course, I was quite young then.




    The investigation started after various police chiefs in California received a letter in late January that announced new leadership for the Masonic Fraternal Police Department. The Jan. 20 letter obtained by The Associated Press was copied to Harris. It was written by Kiel, identified as its chief board of director, and Hayes, the grand chief director, and includes a badge emblem with Henry's name below.

    In the letter, the group claims it is registered with the state and is informing the chief it will be working with "Grandmasters, as well as fraternities and sororities throughout Sovereign Jurisdictions around the country." The letter claims there are 5,686 lodges and that the department "will be able to acquire intel that is not accessible to non-fraternal entities." It said one aim of the department was to restore public trust......snip~

    3 accused of operating fictitious police department


    Isnt that funny how the AP knew in Jan, that they had a copy that was made out to Harris? That must tick off some California Repubs out there, huh?

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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Unreal, the Masonic Fraternal Police Dept. ....these people were running around in California and telling people they are the First Police Dept in the World. That they go back to the Knights Templar. That they have SOVEREIGN Jurisdiction in 33 States. They were actually sending Letters out to Police Chiefs and communicating with them. What say ye?





    An aide to California Attorney General Kamala Harris and two others claiming to be part of the "Masonic Fraternal Police Department" and descendants of the Knights Templar were arrested last week on suspicion of impersonating police officers. Brandon Kiel, the deputy director of community affairs at the California Department of Justice, has been placed on administrative leave according to The Los Angeles Times. Two others, David Henry and Tonette Hayes, were also placed in custody.

    According to the Times, law enforcement officials first noticed something was amiss when several police chiefs in Southern California received a letter earlier this year that announced leadership positions for the group, which traces its origins to the mysterious medieval order known as the Knights Templar. The group claims it has sovereign jurisdiction in 33 states and Mexico, and that it has operated for thousands of years.....snip~

    Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Years Old
    That's hilarious. Why don't they have jurisdiction in the other seventeen states?
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    Re: Kamala Harris Aide Accused Of Running Rogue Police Force Claiming To Be 3,000 Yrs

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    it sounds to me like they put a stop to it as soon as they found out about it and will be making more arrests. ask yourself what's most likely here: crazy people acting crazy? or some big conspiracy to create a secret police force that has a weird website full of grammatical errors which then sends out letters to real police departments alerting them to their existence and setting up meetings?

    seriously, if it's a conspiracy, they must not have been trying very hard.
    Ok, let's peel back the onion a bit. What's most likely is that these people acted on their own - however, there are a few items contrary to that notion. First - this group walked around in public with uniforms. Second, this group had a website - certainly not a move one would use if they wished to keep their endeavors a secret - so they must have had no issue with being publicly seen for what they were attempting to be - a separate police force. From their own website:

    About | Masonic Fraternal Police Department

    From the LA Times article:

    Quote Originally Posted by LA Times
    Employees at the Backwoods Inn restaurant in Santa Clarita remember a day about a month ago when Henry — a regular customer — walked in with a swagger.

    He wore a dark blue police uniform with badges and insignia on both arms. He told the staff at the country western-themed eatery off the Sierra Highway he was a police chief and handed out his business card with pride.

    It read MASONIC FRATERNAL POLICE DEPARTMENT in capital letters and identified Henry as Chief Henry 33

    “He was very big on saying ‘I'm the chief, I'm the chief,'” said one server who talked to him when he stopped by two or three times a week. She spoke on the condition that her name not be used.

    “He carried himself like a cop, his uniform was spot on to a regular cop uniform, we all thought he was a legit cop,” said a chef at the restaurant. Henry regularly brought in his children.

    Employees said Henry told them the department had set up offices in a strip mall next to a storefront church in Santa Clarita.

    Church members said they didn't talk to their neighbors but said they saw a few men come and go dressed in sharp suits. They drove a black Lincoln town car with no license plates.

    “We thought they were a security company,” said one church member.
    Who paid for the towncars? No where in the article did it state these people were armed as legitimate police normally are via empowerment by the government (as well no firearms charges were filed by the prosecutors office). Hell, these guys even went into the LA County Sheriff's office, dressed in their uniforms that they were setting up shop in the area. Lastly, Masons come from all walks of life but, many are found in government and while masons have a very robust history with the US founding fathers - nothing much has changed since then. I'm not willing to dismiss a conspiracy since, in the public's eye "Masons" and "conspiracy" are linked in historical and popular culture.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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