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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Just to point out:

    1. Higher tax rates are one ways in which entrenched interests seek to forestall competition.
    2. It's not as if the Treasury Department turns away donations.
    More equale countries with higher taxes like my country Sweden, have more social mobility so you instead could say that countries like USA with lower taxes forestall competition by making it harder for children with low income to succeed. That at the same time Sweden have a lot of sucessfull companies from old ones like Volvo and H & M to new tech company like Skype who Microsoft bought, Minecraft and Spotify, so we also do pretty well on the global market.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Ole Bernie doesn't support capitalism, but rather corporatism. Where industrial and professional corporations serve as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities. In corporatism government gets to pick the winners and losers according to the party's own special interests. Out of his 12 point plan that ranges from another trillion in stimulus for infrastructure to create jobs paid for by the taxpayers (like Obama's not so shovel ready jobs and a trillion dollars in stimulus to pay for them) to his wanting to increase welfare, and a single payer Medicaid for all healthcare system which would completely turn over a whole sector of our economy to government control. But he did have one point about making education more affordable for all which I agree. But does that mean he wants universities audited to find out the true cost of teaching and have tuitions lowered accordingly while requiring professors work a forty hour week to earn their income and generous benefits? I doubt it. Bernie Sanders is seventy some years old and his ideas are even older.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Bernie Sanders is seventy some years old and his ideas are even older.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    See post 48.
    Still a redirection of the topic and still hasn't answered my question.

    And please don't attribute quotes to me I didn't make: "Ali asked "why doesn't Sanders run as an independent"?"

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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Still a redirection of the topic and still hasn't answered my question.

    And please don't attribute quotes to me I didn't make: "Ali asked "why doesn't Sanders run as an independent"?"
    Fair enough, that was paraphrasing; ergo, should not have been in quotes. My b.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    More equale countries with higher taxes like my country Sweden, have more social mobility
    That depends on whether you are measuring in a zero sum fashion or not. It's not so much that America has less social mobility, it's that our high performers earn way more, and so our top brackets are far higher. We also have more freedom of movement.

    so you instead could say that countries like USA with lower taxes forestall competition by making it harder for children with low income to succeed.
    ....no, you couldn't. There is no connection between my uncle's tax rates and my kids' performance in school.

    That at the same time Sweden have a lot of sucessfull companies from old ones like Volvo and H & M to new tech company like Skype who Microsoft bought, Minecraft and Spotify, so we also do pretty well on the global market.
    Sure, Sweden's done well with a few items.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That depends on whether you are measuring in a zero sum fashion or not. It's not so much that America has less social mobility, it's that our high performers earn way more, and so our top brackets are far higher. We also have more freedom of movement.
    Well you also have to look at minimum wage and their USA only comes at 13:th place and that excluding the Scandinavian countries that have a higher lowest wage from collective agreements. Also an average of 93000 a year salary for an CEO in Sweden (including small companies) maybee little compare to USA. But still you can live a pretty good life for that kind of money so maybee changes for more children to become CEO is more important when an even more luxurus life. Sweden also of course also have very successful people that becomes billionaires.

    http://www.ecotripsos.com/highestminimumwage/

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....no, you couldn't. There is no connection between my uncle's tax rates and my kids' performance in school.

    Of course it is if you not wealthy and can't pay for private school for your children, when you are dependent on that people is willing to pay enough taxes so that public school is good. Also your children didn't chooes you as their parents so they will be hurt by something they can't control if you earn to little money and society will not provide good school.

    It is also a big diffrence bewteen a poor kids and a rich kids changes between USA and Sweden. In USA a poor kid maybee have enough good grade to get into to university but no money from parents so she therefore will not be able to go to university or atleast have a disadvandage to other kids. For example she can both have to work a lot so she doesn't have the same amount of time to study and also have to take a huge financial risk with huge student loans. While the rich kids don't have enough good grades but thanks to her parents donation she can get in to a good university and also can solely focuse on her studies. While in Sweden University is free and you entrance to university is solely based on your merits. In Sweden we have also have studentloan and grants for all students so it's only necissary to work during summer time to afford housing, food etc.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    It's not a tactic. It's what leftists want. They want government to represent them, not Wall Street. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
    The problem is what feels good the left is often so demonstrably bad for the nation.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The problem is what feels good the left is often so demonstrably bad for the nation.
    Ahhhhh... no. Quite the opposite, actually.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders Raises $3 Million In Four Days

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Bernie Sanders is seventy some years old and his ideas are even older.
    Ever hear the saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it?"

    The economy was broken during the 1930 crash and the root cause was immediately addressed. Everything was going swimmingly well until Reaganomics. Unfortuntely, nothing trickled down. It was the beginning of the wealth gap that has kept on getting bigger year after year. This is undisputed fact. The economy was not broken until Reagan fiddled with it (and since then, there has been more fiddling).

    Bernie wants to take the US back to times of prosperity for Americans. Today's GOP* is still on it's knees catering to Wall Street and big banks. They do not give one flying **** about you. Shame that you cannot see that.


    * I am speaking about party lines. I am fully aware than many Democrats cater to WS and big banks.
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