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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Do not be deceived by appearances.

    She is a very strong candidate who happens to be enjoying the privilege of being able to run as though she has it won. By deliberately [at this stage] presuming the win, by a regal approach above the usual fray, by the visuals alone she sets herself apart from the riff raff.

    In the US, what is said is no longer relevant. Who remembers what Obama promised in 2012? Did they even notice then./

    Elections in the US are won on TV. The visuals and the ads do all the work, all they need do with her right now is put lipstick on the pg and drag her out for the fair.

    Much of what you said is what consultants are probably telling her but with her, there's no there there and there should be some basic skills to work with.
    I don't agree ... she's not at all a strong candidate.
    A strong candidate wouldn't have bungled that press statement about the emails.
    Watching that performance was cringeworthy.

    That was a visual.
    That was on TV.
    That WON'T be in HER ads but her performances WILL be in opponent's ads.

    I'm not gonna touch the lipstick on a pig comment.
    Better never than late.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    She a formidable candidate by virtue of the fact that there really is no alternative at this point. That could change. And Democrats have a lot of locked in constituencies, like blacks, who don't care who is running as long as they are Democrat.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Most of the million dollar donors to the Clinton "charity" were foreign, and most large donations came while Hillary was SOS!?!?


    Yep Monte. Even Podesta lobbied State when Hillary was there. Before going to work for her on her Campaign Team.




    According to Vox's Jonathan Allen, formerly of Bloomberg, at least 181 Clinton Foundation donors lobbied the US State Department while Hillary Clinton was in charge, highlighting new questions over whether the Clintons profited from effectively renting out American foreign policy:

    Clinton's defenders insist that nobody has offered concrete proof that this multi-million-dollar "slush fund" favor bank ever resulted in direct action by the State Department; at some point, though, enough smoke convinces people there's a fire. And the smoke is billowing:

    Former President Bill Clinton accepted more than $2.5 million in speaking fees from 13 major corporations and trade associations that lobbied the U.S. State Department while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, an International Business Times investigation has found. The fees were paid directly to the former president, and not directed to his philanthropic foundation. Many of the companies that paid Bill Clinton for these speeches -- a roster of global giants that includes Microsoft, Oracle and Dell -- engaged him within the same three-month period in which they were also lobbying the State Department in pursuit of their policy aims, federal disclosure documents show. Several companies received millions of dollars in State Department contracts while Hillary Clinton led the institution. The disclosure that President Clinton received personal payments for speeches from the same corporate interests that were actively seeking to secure favorable policies from a federal department overseen by his wife underscores the vexing issue now confronting her presidential aspirations...When she became secretary of state in 2009, Hillary Clinton agreed to subject Bill Clinton’s speaking engagements to a conflict-of-interest review by an ethics counsel in Clinton’s State Department. Documents from Judicial Watch show the counsel’s office approving the bulk of the speaking engagements -- even those that came during or after periods when the firms paying Bill Clinton were filing disclosure forms notifying government regulators that they were lobbying the State Department. The revelation that the Clinton family accepted money from 13 firms actively working to influence the Clinton-run State Department follows IBTimes’ report on Monday showing that Goldman Sachs paid Bill Clinton $200,000 just before the banking giant began lobbying the State Department......snip~

    Report: At Least 181 Clinton Foundation Donors Also Lobbied Hillary's State Department - Guy Benson

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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Beyond all rational and reason, I figure. So once again, the stupidity and short attention span of the electorate has been underestimated.
    That may be our biggest problem as a voting society. IMO.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    She is a scoundrel of the highest order, it's a shame people have abandoned reason for politics and ignore evidence in favor of feelings.
    She can be a scoundrel AND a formidable candidate, ya know.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The 2016 presidential campaign has barely started and, as usual, the MSM (especially the NYT) is unlikely to suddenly favor more conservative candidates. Don't worry, be happy articles are going to be the normal MSM fare offered up in HRC's defense.
    Erm... The NYT has not exactly pulled its punches.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/30/us...tion.html?_r=0
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/25/us...-colleges.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/25/us...gn-grants.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us...m-company.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/op...oundation.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/us...oundation.html

    The Foundation issues aren't being ignored by the media. They're being ignored by much of the public.

    The people who hate Hilary, or any Democrat running for office on principle, do pay attention -- but they were never going to vote for her anyway. The rest are disconnected from the process (too early) or aren't perturbed by it.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    She a formidable candidate by virtue of the fact that there really is no alternative at this point. That could change.
    Yep. Obama was practically an unknown, and Clinton was the sure-fire winner for awhile. I'm sure the anti-Hilary set would be thrilled with another Obama-type politician running for the Presidency....

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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I'm aware of some of these stories circulating, but they don't appear to be the kind of high-impact matters that could materially damage her candidacy. Even if one assumes that Clinton was warned of a risk of terrorist attacks in Libya, but assumed a lower risk (perhaps from other information sources), that outcome probably won't have a large impact. The disintegration of Libya does not pose a critical threat to the U.S., even as it poses some risk. If, on the other hand, one can tie Clinton to a materially worse U.S. position vis-a-vis Russia, the Mideast as a whole, etc., then one is dealing with a potentially larger-impact scenario. A substantially worse U.S. position in the balance of power, in a vital region (as opposed to a single rather marginal country), would have potentially significant adverse implications for the nation as a whole.

    IMO, even as I could be incorrect, current and would-be opponents are making a strategic blunder in focusing so heavily on the Benghazi tragedy. Gov. Romney made that error during his campaign against President Obama. Ahead of his foreign policy debate, the Romney campaign signaled that it was going to make a case that U.S. foreign policy had fallen apart. Instead, at the debate, excessive time was devoted to Benghazi. The anticipated case was not attempted and a strategic opportunity was squandered, especially as Romney had done well in his first debate. While that lost opportunity was not as dramatic as Sen. McCain's panic during the financial crisis when he canceled and then un-canceled his debate appearance, the lackluster performance wiped out Romney's gains from his first debate. What might have happened had he made his case and built upon the momentum coming out of that first debate?

    a challenger typically has to prove why the incumbent should not be re-elected. An incumbent typically does not have the burden of proof as to why he/she should be re-elected when the nation is not in a recession, on the brink of a recession, or facing some other large crisis.
    Romney hardly touched on Benghazi.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Yep. Obama was practically an unknown, and Clinton was the sure-fire winner for awhile. I'm sure the anti-Hilary set would be thrilled with another Obama-type politician running for the Presidency....
    Do you see that happening again? It's not out of the realm by any means. Politics aside ,she's just a very unlikeable person.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton’s Appeal Survives Scrutiny, Poll Says

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    Do you see that happening again? It's not out of the realm by any means. Politics aside ,she's just a very unlikeable person.
    I have no idea. I don't see why not, although I'm pretty sure it won't be Bernie Sanders. Sorry, Bernie....

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