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U.S. government has authorized commercial ferry service to Cuba

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US approves ferry service to Cuba by four Florida companies - Sun Sentinel

For the first time in five decades, the U.S. is allowing ferry service between Florida and Cuba. At least four companies said they were notified Tuesday of approvals by the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments, the first since Washington imposed a trade embargo on Cuba. Licensed were Havana Ferry Partners of Fort Lauderdale, Baja Ferries of Miami, United Caribbean Lines Florida of Greater Orlando and Airline Brokers Co. of Miami and Fort Lauderdale.

A Treasury spokeswoman confirmed approval of ferry licenses but would not say how many were approved. Cuba also must approve the operations. "I'm very excited, because this is a historical event in U.S.-Cuba relations," said Havana Ferry's managing partner, Leonard Moecklin Sr. The ferry companies plan to offer trips that would be less expensive than charter flights, while allowing more luggage free. Many Cuban-Americans haul down hefty supplies for family homes and new private businesses.
 
US approves ferry service to Cuba by four Florida companies - Sun Sentinel

For the first time in five decades, the U.S. is allowing ferry service between Florida and Cuba. At least four companies said they were notified Tuesday of approvals by the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments, the first since Washington imposed a trade embargo on Cuba. Licensed were Havana Ferry Partners of Fort Lauderdale, Baja Ferries of Miami, United Caribbean Lines Florida of Greater Orlando and Airline Brokers Co. of Miami and Fort Lauderdale.

A Treasury spokeswoman confirmed approval of ferry licenses but would not say how many were approved. Cuba also must approve the operations. "I'm very excited, because this is a historical event in U.S.-Cuba relations," said Havana Ferry's managing partner, Leonard Moecklin Sr. The ferry companies plan to offer trips that would be less expensive than charter flights, while allowing more luggage free. Many Cuban-Americans haul down hefty supplies for family homes and new private businesses.

Who compensates the Americans, whose assets were confiscated by the dictatorship?
 
US approves ferry service to Cuba by four Florida companies - Sun Sentinel

For the first time in five decades, the U.S. is allowing ferry service between Florida and Cuba. At least four companies said they were notified Tuesday of approvals by the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments, the first since Washington imposed a trade embargo on Cuba. Licensed were Havana Ferry Partners of Fort Lauderdale, Baja Ferries of Miami, United Caribbean Lines Florida of Greater Orlando and Airline Brokers Co. of Miami and Fort Lauderdale.

A Treasury spokeswoman confirmed approval of ferry licenses but would not say how many were approved. Cuba also must approve the operations. "I'm very excited, because this is a historical event in U.S.-Cuba relations," said Havana Ferry's managing partner, Leonard Moecklin Sr. The ferry companies plan to offer trips that would be less expensive than charter flights, while allowing more luggage free. Many Cuban-Americans haul down hefty supplies for family homes and new private businesses.

I love this. But I'd rather fly.
 
Who compensates the Americans, whose assets were confiscated by the dictatorship?

We can't be worried about that.
 
Who compensates the Americans, whose assets were confiscated by the dictatorship?

Does that mean to compensate mobsters as well? But that's beside the point. State's own the Federal Government billions, US Government actually owes billions to Native American tribes and yet you want Cuba to pay up when the US doesn't even pay up on it's "debts". Come on. Cuba can pay in bonds and they likely will or it will be forgotten due do about 50 years of embargo bleed Cuban economy 10xs the amount owed.
 
Does that mean to compensate mobsters as well? But that's beside the point. State's own the Federal Government billions, US Government actually owes billions to Native American tribes and yet you want Cuba to pay up when the US doesn't even pay up on it's "debts". Come on. Cuba can pay in bonds and they likely will or it will be forgotten due do about 50 years of embargo bleed Cuban economy 10xs the amount owed.

- A priori, I would say that your first comment is misplaced, as all should be treated equally. If mobsters committed crimes, one would want that to be treated in court.
- I am not sure, what you mean, when you say "State's own the Federal Government billions".
- As to the Native Americans, I have not been following that recently, but had gained the impression that there had been considerable, but maybe too little compensation made and that there were still negotiations going on. But maybe you would like to open a thread on that? I will certainly look by.
- If Cuba pays, that would be fine. The United States government could pay out its citizens, if that is what the voters want. But it would not be okay to leave the expropriated citizens hold the bag.
- The embargo was fine, I would think. Why would losses made by Cuba have any baring on anything. That was part of the Cold War after it had almost gone hot over Cuba and the Castros could have ended it at almost any time by giving up the dictatorship. I mean, for a while there the Cubans were exporting troops to support enemies of the States. They were lucky it was an embargo and not a blockade.
 
Who compensates the Americans, whose assets were confiscated by the dictatorship?

Get over it. Who compensates the victims of the dictatorship before Castro?
 
Does that mean to compensate mobsters as well?

That would be at least 50% of the compensation. And if you add big corporations, who acted like mobsters and colonial slave masters in Cuba, then you are closer to 90%.
 
Meh, Cuba's only 90 miles from the U.S. That's not a bad boat ride, unless you're prone to seasickness.

Well, if I lived in Miami, sure. But from where I live, my flight to Havana would be quicker than my flight to Miami, and I'd still have a ferry ride.
 
We are Obama! Huh?

What's your point? You just really don't want to see Cuba opened up, hate Obama, think that US taxpayers should make compensation, all the above....?
 
What's your point? You just really don't want to see Cuba opened up, hate Obama, think that US taxpayers should make compensation, all the above....?

I think Obama has done better than I had feared and would have liked Cuba welcomed back into a normal relationship after they gave up supporting our enemies and returned the loot. If the government wants to normalize the relationship without recompensation, however? Yep. It would be up thto us to pay up.
 
Get over it. Who compensates the victims of the dictatorship before Castro?

Take it to court. We carried on the Cold War with that dictatorship and that dictatorship harmed our citizens. That was one of the reasons given by successive governments. Yep. If the Castros keep the loot, our government should compensate the ccitizens.
 
Meh, Cuba's only 90 miles from the U.S. That's not a bad boat ride, unless you're prone to seasickness.

Probably more than 200 miles, since Key West is too remote and away from highways, so more likely Miami. Havana is the only major port in Cuba. 200 miles in those waters and on a ferry would be very bumpy.
 
Take it to court. We carried on the Cold War with that dictatorship and that dictatorship harmed our citizens. That was one of the reasons given by successive governments. Yep. If the Castros keep the loot, our government should compensate the ccitizens.

What court? US courts have zero jurisdiction over Cuba, and any "investments" in the US by Cuba have been seized long ago.
 
I think Obama has done better than I had feared and would have liked Cuba welcomed back into a normal relationship after they gave up supporting our enemies and returned the loot. If the government wants to normalize the relationship without recompensation, however? Yep. It would be up thto us to pay up.

Knock yourself out.
 
What court? US courts have zero jurisdiction over Cuba, and any "investments" in the US by Cuba have been seized long ago.

Court? That was because you were thinking of compensation for pre Castro damages. I leave that up to you.
 
Probably more than 200 miles, since Key West is too remote and away from highways, so more likely Miami. Havana is the only major port in Cuba. 200 miles in those waters and on a ferry would be very bumpy.

True enough.
 
Hell yea! Visiting just got a lot easier come September.
 
Does Cuba meet your standard of human rights? Just asking. BTW where does all that money go when you visit Cuba?

Does it? Nope. And it depends on where you do business in Cuba. But to put this in perspective neither does the US meet "my standards" on human rights. The majority of it goes to the state. Some of it can also go to small business as well.
 
Does it? Nope. And it depends on where you do business in Cuba. But to put this in perspective neither does the US meet "my standards" on human rights. The majority of it goes to the state. Some of it can also go to small business as well.

OK so Cuba does not meet your standard of human rights, then should we have lifted our sanctions?
 
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