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    Re: Bedtime reading could disadvantage other children, academic says

    Quote Originally Posted by logansrun View Post
    Maybe we could help them "step up" by giving them free coupons for books every now and then or something.

    "Two-thirds of America’s children living in poverty have no books at home, and the number of families living in poverty is on the rise. Many public and school libraries are being forced to close or reduce their operating hours. Children who do not have access to books and do not read regularly are among the most vulnerable Americans." from: Literacy Issues


    "When we imagine people without books, we think of villagers in places like Afghanistan. But many families in the United States have no children’s books at home. In some of the poorest areas of the country, it’s hard to find books for sale. A study (pdf) of low-income neighborhoods in Philadelphia, for example, found a ratio of one book for sale for every 300 children. Tens of millions of poor Americans can’t afford to buy books at all." from: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...hen-some/?_r=0
    People living in poverty have access to free books through schools and libraries. The problem isn't that they can't get the books --- it's that some parents don't give a damn about their kids having books at home.


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    Re: Bedtime reading could disadvantage other children, academic says

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And my goodness, there are used bookstores all over where books are like 4 for a dollar.
    And books for a quarter each at yard sales!


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    Re: Bedtime reading could disadvantage other children, academic says

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    He's absolutely correct in that it makes curriculum in the early grades much more difficult to gear accurately to the wide range of incoming abilities. However rather than discouraging parents from reading to/with their children, more effort should be made to assure parents have the time at home without stress in order to read more with their children.
    How....?


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    Re: Stop reading to your child cuz it's not fair to disadvantaged children... WTF??

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    THE ABC has questioned whether parents should read to their children before bedtime, claiming it could give your kids an “unfair advantage” over less fortunate children.
    “Is having a loving family an unfair advantage?” asks a story on the ABC’s website.
    “Should parents snuggling up for one last story before lights out be even a little concerned about the advantage they might be conferring?”
    The story was followed by a broadcast on the ABC’s Radio National that also tackled the apparently divisive issue of bedtime reading.
    “Evidence shows that the difference between those who get bedtime stories and those who don’t — the difference in their life chances — is bigger than the difference between those who get elite private schooling and those that don’t,” British academic Adam Swift told ABC presenter Joe Gelonesi.
    Gelonesi responded online: “This devilish twist of evidence surely leads to a further conclusion that perhaps — in the interests of levelling the playing field — bedtime stories should also be restricted.”
    Contacted by The Daily Telegraph, Gelonesi said the bedtime stories angle was highlighted by the ABC “as a way of getting attention”.
    Asked if it might be just as easy to level the playing field by encouraging other parents to read bedtime stories, Gelonesi said: “We didn’t discuss that.”
    Swift said parents should be mindful of the advantage provided by bedtime reading.
    “I don’t think parents reading their children bedtime stories should constantly have in their minds the way that they are unfairly disadvantaging other people’s children, but I think they should have that thought occasionally,” he said.Professor Frank Oberklaid, from the Murdoch Childrens Research Institute said he was bewildered by the idea.
    It’s one of the more bizarre things I’ve heard,” he said. “We should be bringing all kids up to the next level.”


    This I agree with.

    Instead of trying to hold some kids back, let's try to bring them all up to the next level.

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    Re: Bedtime reading could disadvantage other children, academic says

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    How....?
    Number one would be a living wage so they can work 40 hours and be home without too much financial stress. Otherwise I would imagine the list could include any number of things.
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    Re: Stop reading to your child cuz it's not fair to disadvantaged children... WTF??

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    No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

    THE ABC has questioned whether parents should read to their children before bedtime, claiming it could give your kids an “unfair advantage” over less fortunate children.
    “Is having a loving family an unfair advantage?” asks a story on the ABC’s website.
    “Should parents snuggling up for one last story before lights out be even a little concerned about the advantage they might be conferring?”
    The story was followed by a broadcast on the ABC’s Radio National that also tackled the apparently divisive issue of bedtime reading.
    “Evidence shows that the difference between those who get bedtime stories and those who don’t — the difference in their life chances — is bigger than the difference between those who get elite private schooling and those that don’t,” British academic Adam Swift told ABC presenter Joe Gelonesi.
    Gelonesi responded online: “This devilish twist of evidence surely leads to a further conclusion that perhaps — in the interests of levelling the playing field — bedtime stories should also be restricted.”
    Contacted by The Daily Telegraph, Gelonesi said the bedtime stories angle was highlighted by the ABC “as a way of getting attention”.
    Asked if it might be just as easy to level the playing field by encouraging other parents to read bedtime stories, Gelonesi said: “We didn’t discuss that.”
    Swift said parents should be mindful of the advantage provided by bedtime reading.
    “I don’t think parents reading their children bedtime stories should constantly have in their minds the way that they are unfairly disadvantaging other people’s children, but I think they should have that thought occasionally,” he said.Professor Frank Oberklaid, from the Murdoch Childrens Research Institute said he was bewildered by the idea.
    “It’s one of the more bizarre things I’ve heard,” he said. “We should be bringing all kids up to the next level.”
    obviously we should ban reading bedtime stories, in the interest of equality and looking out for the poor kids.

    can't be having those greedy kids hoarding all the bedtime stories and using such trivialities to artificially inflate their societal worth... not when poor kids are starving for such stories and winding up as outcasts.

    I'll get Bernie sanders on the job.. he's a voice for the little guy.. he can surely bring some equality to the stage here.

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    Re: Bedtime reading could disadvantage other children, academic says

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    Re: Bedtime reading could disadvantage other children, academic says

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Really?!

    We now should consider how our good parenting actions might give our kids an advantage in life while other kids don't have that advantage? We're supposed to feel guilty about that? Maybe we should feel guilty about feeding our children healthy meals and providing them with warm, functional clothing too.
    About that, I believe that he would say that on occasion, when you serve your child a meal, think about the children in the world that don't always have that fortune. One mustn't need to feel guilt in order to feel empathy.
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    Re: Stop reading to your child cuz it's not fair to disadvantaged children... WTF??

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

    THE ABC has questioned whether parents should read to their children before bedtime, claiming it could give your kids an “unfair advantage” over less fortunate children.
    “Is having a loving family an unfair advantage?” asks a story on the ABC’s website.
    “Should parents snuggling up for one last story before lights out be even a little concerned about the advantage they might be conferring?”
    The story was followed by a broadcast on the ABC’s Radio National that also tackled the apparently divisive issue of bedtime reading.
    “Evidence shows that the difference between those who get bedtime stories and those who don’t — the difference in their life chances — is bigger than the difference between those who get elite private schooling and those that don’t,” British academic Adam Swift told ABC presenter Joe Gelonesi.
    Gelonesi responded online: “This devilish twist of evidence surely leads to a further conclusion that perhaps — in the interests of levelling the playing field — bedtime stories should also be restricted.”
    Contacted by The Daily Telegraph, Gelonesi said the bedtime stories angle was highlighted by the ABC “as a way of getting attention”.
    Asked if it might be just as easy to level the playing field by encouraging other parents to read bedtime stories, Gelonesi said: “We didn’t discuss that.”
    Swift said parents should be mindful of the advantage provided by bedtime reading.
    “I don’t think parents reading their children bedtime stories should constantly have in their minds the way that they are unfairly disadvantaging other people’s children, but I think they should have that thought occasionally,” he said.Professor Frank Oberklaid, from the Murdoch Childrens Research Institute said he was bewildered by the idea.
    “It’s one of the more bizarre things I’ve heard,” he said. “We should be bringing all kids up to the next level.”
    The amazing thing is the link to the ABC story is in your post, and yet you have clearly not read it. Why do you insist on letting others do your thinking for you? Hint: here is a quote from the story:

    You have to allow parents to engage in bedtime stories activities, in fact we encourage them because those are the kinds of interactions between parents and children that do indeed foster and produce these [desired] familial relationship goods.
    The whole thing is basically two philosophers looking at what they think of as difficult concepts and tradeoffs, you know, philosophically. They do not in any way seem to be advocating policy or anything like that, just looking at the effects of children of family activities.
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    Re: Stop reading to your child cuz it's not fair to disadvantaged children... WTF??

    So let me get this straight.

    Good parents who take the time to read to their kids when they go to bed should stop, so the lazy, shiftless parents who don't bother, won't have disadvantaged children?

    That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.

    It costs nothing to read to your child. You don't even have to buy books. Check them out at the library. Oh, but wait - gosh. Taking your kids to the library probably causes a disadvantage to those kids whose parents are too lazy to do even that.

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