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Shot NYPD cop dies

racist? Can't you find another thread to sling your agenda? this one's kinda not appropriate.

My first post on this thread made a very pertinent point. Everything after that has been posters attempting to evade its implications
 
Back to the topic which is NOT England and is NOT gun rights.

I saw clips of his funeral. It reminded me of the funeral of those 2 cops shot in NYC over Christmas. His parents and his sister were sobbing through the entire funeral. It broke my heart to see that.

May this young man rest in peace and may his parents find comfort in the days to come.
 
My first post on this thread made a very pertinent point. Everything after that has been posters attempting to evade its implications



You have an anti-gun agenda and you make know qualms standing on this officers corpse as a soap box.
 
Back to the topic which is NOT England and is NOT gun rights.

I did not bring the subject of England nor gun rights into this thread

I saw clips of his funeral. It reminded me of the funeral of those 2 cops shot in NYC over Christmas. His parents and his sister were sobbing through the entire funeral. It broke my heart to see that.

May this young man rest in peace and may his parents find comfort in the days to come.

As I said back in post #3

Undoubtedly had the criminal not found it so easy to access a firearm in the first place this officer would still be alive today

How does this mean I have derailed anything when my post could hardly be more pertinent ?
 
I did not bring the subject of England nor gun rights into this thread



As I said back in post #3

Undoubtedly had the criminal not found it so easy to access a firearm in the first place this officer would still be alive today

How does this mean I have derailed anything when my post could hardly be more pertinent ?



You did indeed bring gun rights into this thread. Crue cab made a dumb comment about hethrow.

You ran with it.
 
You did indeed bring gun rights into this thread. Crue cab made a dumb comment about hethrow.

You ran with it.

Despite all the attempted jingoistic cheap shots made afterwards at my expense. My initial post is absolutely true and stands unchallenged.
 
I bet his relatives are glad somebody out there has the integrity to tell it like it really is too.


When I saw them, it didn't appear they knew you were "telling it like it is" on the interwebs.... I could be wrong though. :rolleyes:
 
When I saw them, it didn't appear they knew you were "telling it like it is" on the interwebs.... I could be wrong though. :rolleyes:

Avoidable tragedies like this against police officers happen on average once a week in the US. The real tragedy is that ultimately nobody cares :(
 
Avoidable tragedies like this against police officers happen on average once a week in the US. The real tragedy is that ultimately nobody cares :(


FBI reports 27 cops were killed last year. But how many civilians were killed by officers? - The Washington Post


27 officers fatally killed (not just by guns), in 2013.


How many weeks are in a year again?

As I have shown you, police mortality rate is barely a point higher than the civilian mortality rate. you ignored it.

As I have also shown you, most gun crimes are criminal on criminal, you didn't care

As I have shown you, most cops are rarely in any danger, meh.


what's your endgame? you don't live here, but you paint this scary picture as if it's truth. You use this cop as fodder for your agenda. Why do you care so much I own guns? What do you propose you do about it?
 
How the **** did this thread get derailed so we have to read about England? Who the **** cares. An innocent man was shot by a disgusting thug and died. Who the **** cares what's going on in England and why are we talking about it in this thread?

An anti gun foreigner seems to think that if we banned guns, people who are willing to commit capital murder against cops would not be able to get a gun or shoot a cop
 
Despite all the attempted jingoistic cheap shots made afterwards at my expense. My initial post is absolutely true and stands unchallenged.

no it doesn't because you make the inane assumption that banning guns will be more successful in preventing those intent on committing capital murder from getting a gun than narcotics bans are successful in preventing people from getting stoned.

Your real agenda is to punish Americans and prevent them from owning firearms. No one who understands criminals can possibly believe that if a capital murder sentence's ramifications do not deter someone, laws banning guns will be more successful
 

Actually 102 in 2013 of which 32 were shot and 126 in 2014 50 of whom were shot. In 2011 it was as high as 171. This is more than 20 times higher per capita than the rest of the developed world

To put this into context here we havent had a police officer killed on duty since 2013 nor have we had any shot since 2012

National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: 126 Law Enforcement Officer Fatalities Nationwide in 2014

As I have also shown you, most gun crimes are criminal on criminal, you didn't care

Tell that to this police officers relatives

As I have shown you, most cops are rarely in any danger,

Your figures tell a different story

what's your endgame? you don't live here, but you paint this scary picture as if it's truth. You use this cop as fodder for your agenda. Why do you care so much I own guns? What do you propose you do about it?

I guess I don't like blood soaked hypocrisy
 
and that has absolutely no relevance to your ranting that we need to ban guns to stop cop killers

The figures speak for themselves. Ranting is not required

no it doesn't because you make the inane assumption that banning guns will be more successful in preventing those intent on committing capital murder from getting a gun

In the last two years you have had 82 cops shot and killed we have had none. Your murder rate is 4.7 times ours nearly three quarters of which involve the use of a firearm
 
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Actually 102 in 2013 of which 32 were shot and 126 in 2014 50 of whom were shot. In 2011 it was as high as 171. This is more than 20 times higher per capita than the rest of the developed world

Your agenda is guns, you can't throw in any death to boost your statistics, that's dumb, bro,


I see 46 cops shot at killed 2014. your numbers are off.

there are 1 million police officers.

so the per capita is pretty easy.

4.6

last year 2.7


To put this into context here we havent had a police officer killed on duty since 2013 nor have we had any shot since 2012


well if you want to compare apples to oranges, you have to go all the way. cop in england have killed 1? 0? in the last few years?

here we don't keep count but it's thousands.

by your logic, the gun is more dangerous in police hands. (I don't fully disagree here lol)




total fatalities, accidents, et al.



Tell that to this police officers relatives

That's dumb, bro. Don't make beta comments, it won't work on me.


Your figures tell a different story

what story is that?


I guess I don't like blood soaked hypocrisy


but you seem to love chicken little emotional fear hysterics. *shrug*
 
see 46 cops shot at killed 2014. your numbers are off.

Nope it was 50

According to the NLEOMF report, 126 federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers were killed in the line of duty this year, compared to 102 in 2013. The number of officers killed by firearms in 2014 (50) was 56 percent higher than the number killed by gunfire in 2013 (32).

Firearms being the number one cause of death

well if you want to compare apples to oranges, you have to go all the way. cop in england have killed 1? 0? in the last few years?

here we don't keep count but it's thousands.

And do you consider this a good thing ?

but you seem to love chicken little emotional fear hysterics. *shrug*

The figures speak for themselves. Emotional input is not really required
 
I'm not sure why there would be protests. The murderer was captured and will almost certainly be convicted. Protests are the result of people perceiving that justice isn't being done.

No, in this case vigils should be held, not protests.

Maybe protests from people sick of people inciting violence and calling for the death of our law enforcement? Sick of people who defend and hide criminals like this? Of a culture that encourages it? Idk.
 
Nope it was 50

According to the NLEOMF report, 126 federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers were killed in the line of duty this year, compared to 102 in 2013. The number of officers killed by firearms in 2014 (50) was 56 percent higher than the number killed by gunfire in 2013 (32).[/qiup

Firearms being the number one cause of death



And do you consider this a good thing ?



The figures speak for themselves. Emotional input is not really required



From your source:

Firearms-related fatalities spike 56 percent while ambushes remain the leading cause of felonious deaths

and even that spike is minimal compared to the civilian population.

What is your solution to our gun "problem"?
 
Firearms being the number one cause of death

Wrong. People are the cause of death. Not firearms. When are people going to realize that a gun is just a TOOL. It can't fire on its own. It cannot move on its own. It cannot do ANYTHING on its own period. A gun is an inanimate object.

Inanimate -

1: not animate:

a : not endowed with life or spirit <an inanimate object>

b : lacking consciousness or power of motion <an inanimate body>

2: not animated or lively : dull

Inanimate ~ Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Object -

1a : something material that may be perceived by the senses <I see an object in the distance>

b : something that when viewed stirs a particular emotion (as pity) <look to the tragic loading of this bed … the object poisons sight; let it be hid — Shakespeare>

2a : something mental or physical toward which thought, feeling, or action is directed <an object for study> <the object of my affection> <delicately carved art objects>

b : something physical that is perceived by an individual and becomes an agent for psychological identification <the mother is the primary object of the child>

3a : the goal or end of an effort or activity : purpose, objective <their object is to investigate the matter thoroughly>

b : a cause for attention or concern <money is no object>

4: a thing that forms an element of or constitutes the subject matter of an investigation or science


5a : a noun or noun equivalent (as a pronoun, gerund, or clause) denoting the goal or result of the action of a verb

b : a noun or noun equivalent in a prepositional phrase

6a : a data structure in object-oriented programming that can contain functions as well as data, variables, and other data structures

b : a discrete entity (as a window or icon) in computer graphics that can be manipulated independently of other such entities

Object ~ Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
Wrong. People are the cause of death. Not firearms. When are people going to realize that a gun is just a TOOL. It can't fire on its own. It cannot move on its own. It cannot do ANYTHING on its own period. A gun is an inanimate object.

Yes yes yes of course its not a weapon its just a 'tool' for moving little pieces of lead from place to place at very high velocity ! Unfortunately people just get in the way of them sometimes :lol:
 
The figures speak for themselves. Ranting is not required



In the last two years you have had 82 cops shot and killed we have had none. Your murder rate is 4.7 times ours nearly three quarters of which involve the use of a firearm

that has no relevance than your jihad against our gun rights

you have to prove that British style idiocy would actually be useful here and it won't

and you ignore the fact that your crime rate was not very high BEFORE you had that collective bed wetting over ONE massacre

and you ignore the fact that white americans are not more violent than white Brits despite the fact we have mainly fairly free access to handguns
 
that has no relevance than your jihad against our gun rights

you have to prove that British style idiocy would actually be useful here and it won't

and you ignore the fact that your crime rate was not very high BEFORE you had that collective bed wetting over ONE massacre

and you ignore the fact that white americans are not more violent than white Brits despite the fact we have mainly fairly free access to handguns

For you protecting guns is far more important than protecting lives. Its the casual indifference to the consequences of that mindset in the face of all the data that is so incomprehensible
 
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