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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    As a gun owner you dont know your basic facts. When you remove psych issues and drugs, our firearm violence rate is comparable with western europe, except they dont have the rights we do.

    You made the claim that gun culture has "run wild". Care to back that up? Who defines that?
    Do you think it's a good idea to let children shoot Uzi's? No matter what your answer is, you've lent more credence to my argument.

    To you're first point, I din't make claims about the violence rate, I'm talking about gun owners who believe their right to own, carry and use any firearm they want is god given and they cannot be taken away. Now, I know this will be hard for a lot of people to process given what i just said, but I'm not anti gun, I'm pro responsibility. The idea that it's a law that you have to properly label and store pesticides, hazardous chemicals and explosives, but you can leave your loaded weapon next to your front door with kids around, is to me, insane, but even more insane is if the kids shoot themselves or someone else, that the owner of that firearm isn't culpable in some way is beyond insane. Now I'll grant you, that's my opinion and I thought when I said that the first time it would be obvious.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    thanks for your answer.

    So you don't believe the killing of the LEO was justified, why not protest? Doesn't his life matter? I can agree there are a few bad apples in law enforcement. Those LEO's should be held accountable.

    That said it is pathetic the lack of outcry for the outright murder of the NYPD LEO. There should be an outcry for the people who burned down businesses, destroyed private property, and looted others places.

    If "lives matter" it should not be held to well all lives matter.

    There is no excuse for the murder that took place.
    Do we protest every death? I dont. I would wait until I saw if the justice system worked.

    Seems like it is so far, on his behalf. And I havent excused his murder.

    Also seems like you're a little hysterical right now. Cuz there was little that made sense in your post. Accustory hyperbole, yes.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Do you think it's a good idea to let children shoot Uzi's? No matter what your answer is, you've lent more credence to my argument.

    To you're first point, I din't make claims about the violence rate, I'm talking about gun owners who believe their right to own, carry and use any firearm they want is god given and they cannot be taken away. Now, I know this will be hard for a lot of people to process given what i just said, but I'm not anti gun, I'm pro responsibility. The idea that it's a law that you have to properly label and store pesticides, hazardous chemicals and explosives, but you can leave your loaded weapon next to your front door with kids around, is to me, insane, but even more insane is if the kids shoot themselves or someone else, that the owner of that firearm isn't culpable in some way is beyond insane. Now I'll grant you, that's my opinion and I thought when I said that the first time it would be obvious.
    Who is arguing that the right to guns being inalienable means kids should shoot uzi's and have guns left out next to them? How would the owner not be culpable for that? Its certainly the law where I am.

    Is this what you meant by "run wild"?

    BTW-a semi auto uzi with strict supervision is easy to control and mild on the recoil-there are worse choices for kids-but ALL involve adult supervision.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What makes you think thats unique to the US ?



    The reality is nothing of the sort despite what I know you'd like to believe. The relative murder and incarceration figures I mentioned earlier rather speak for themselves. Its your society that has far deeper issues than ours

    PS. I visit the US regularly and over the years have witnessed the alarming rise in levels of destitution even in nominally affluent cities like San Francisco. Your solution just seems to be locking up ever more desperate citizens in ever greater numbers sadly.
    It's happened to about every liberal-run city in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Why did your people allow that?
    Allow it? British Empire waves hello and so does their position of power in the creation of the EU. Kinda like how Americans needs to wave back to NAFTA and realize it took 50 years for the EU to form.. and North America is going through the same steps. NAFTA, SPP, and arguments of a North American passport.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    But if gun ownership rates (legal or otherwise) were the key factor here one would expect to see more of a correlation. For example, Switzerland, where gun ownership is compulsory for men of conscriptable age, would (according to your logic) have a higher rate of officers being shot then the United States. On the contrary most common form of gun related death in Switzerland is wives killing abusive husbands with their own guns, and i cant say i will lose any sleep over that.

    The real issue in the U.S is social inequality.
    Yes social inequality is probably the major factor, (though even Switzerland has gun killing rates eight times those of the UK) and there seems little political will to address it.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I see you mention no reason to blame or hold the criminal accountable. Let me guess, you're a liberal?
    Oh I certainly do not condone the act. Its the ease with which it could be expedited that I take issue with. And no I am not a liberal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's happened to about every liberal-run city in the US.
    This is an issue of far too fundamental a nature for the future existence of your society for it simply to be used for the usual tedious political points scoring. You dismiss this at your peril

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Yes social inequality is probably the major factor, (though even Switzerland has gun killing rates eight times those of the UK) and there seems little political will to address it.
    If you focus only on gun killings I could understand your position, if you focus on general safety in society, that argument holds zero water.

    Switzerlands intentional homicide rate is 0.6 versus 1.0 for UK.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Switzerlands intentional homicide rate is 0.6 versus 1.0 for UK.
    Versus 4.7 for the US where nearly three quarters of homicides are by firearms

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