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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Nonsense. UK murder rates are the lowest in 30 years



    Of course they will. You had 50 cops shot and killed in the line of duty last year where we had none
    you don't understand the facts

    England's murder rate has always been lowers than ours and that was before you all started banning guns.

    and you cannot establish gun bans is what makes you all safer

    what we do know is that white americans don't have any higher rates of violent crime than the disarmed whites in Britain
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Its a thing called war.
    Oh, so there are situations where you would use a gun to protect yourself eh? You just don't want anyone else to be able to....That speaks volumes...

    If you want to unnecessarily endanger yourself and your family thats your decision. I on the other hand think I have a responsibility to me and mine not to do that.
    That I "endanger" myself, is your opinion.

    I'd hate to live with such a fear of everything. Some freedom
    I've already told you that you were wrong about that....So, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop with the false picture you're trying to paint here, it's very dishonest...And it is freedom, for example, I have the freedom to own a gun, you don't.

    I guess I cannot get my head round why any developed society would willingly do this to itself ,and be in complete denial about the consequences !
    I don't really care what you comprehend or not...You don't live here, so frankly, your opinion, or understanding is really of no consequence to me...
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Undoubtedly had the criminal not found it so easy to access a firearm in the first place this officer would still be alive today
    Firearms aren't the problem.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    You are wrong because Increasingly it is

    https://subscribe.washingtonpost.com...romo/digital01

    Our gun crime is currently the lowest since records began
    Violent crime on increase England and Wales - Telegraph
    Crime statistics for England and Wales: violent crime and sexual offences | News | The Guardian

    Yep, those defenseless ideals of yours sure are making the UK a swell place to live.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you don't understand the facts
    And clearly you don't understand the math

    and you cannot establish gun bans is what makes you all safer
    Except that we are over 40 times less likely to be shot of course

    what we do know is that white americans don't have any higher rates of violent crime than the disarmed whites in Britain
    Given you have the highest incarceration rates and the highest police deaths per capita recorded anywhere in the developed world that claim does not even bear the most cursory of examinations

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, so there are situations where you would use a gun to protect yourself eh? You just don't want anyone else to be able to....That speaks volumes...
    Yes I have the ability to tell the difference between war and peace

    That I "endanger" myself, is your opinion
    Nope its a statistical fact

    I've already told you that you were wrong about that....So, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop with the false picture you're trying to paint here, it's very dishonest...And it is freedom, for example, I have the freedom to own a gun, you don't.
    You have the freedom to needlessly endanger yourself and your family. Good luck with that

    I don't really care what you comprehend or not...You don't live here, so frankly, your opinion, or understanding is really of no consequence to me...
    Nor are the facts it seems
    Last edited by flogger; 05-09-15 at 03:06 AM.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Firearms aren't the problem.
    I'd wager that officers family will beg to differ

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Get up to date

    The crime rate in England is now so low they in fact need 15K fewer police since 2010

    England's Crime Rate Has Fallen So Low They Need 15K Fewer Police - Good News Network

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...level-33-years

    Authoritative crime survey of England and Wales finds 20% drop in violent crime, 17% fall in criminal damage and 10% fall in theft A record 14% fall in the last 12 months has taken crime levels in England and Wales to their lowest level for 33 years, according to the Office for National Statistics.
    Last edited by flogger; 05-09-15 at 03:12 AM.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Get up to date

    The crime rate in England is now so low they in fact need 15K fewer police since 2010

    England's Crime Rate Has Fallen So Low They Need 15K Fewer Police - Good News Network

    Crime falls 14% in England and Wales to reach lowest level in 33 years | UK news | The Guardian

    Authoritative crime survey of England and Wales finds 20% drop in violent crime, 17% fall in criminal damage and 10% fall in theft A record 14% fall in the last 12 months has taken crime levels in England and Wales to their lowest level for 33 years, according to the Office for National Statistics.
    Violent crime surges 16% in new figures - Telegraph - 2015 (you are quoting 2014)
    Crime shows biggest rise for a decade | Daily Mail Online
    As at 31 March 2015, there were 17,295 full-time equivalent (FTE) police officers in Scotland. This is an increase of 1,061 police officers from the position at 31 March 2007 (+6.5 per cent).
    Crime and Justice Statistics
    C.T.L.W. You figure it out



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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Aw, you're so cute!! Is quote mining seen as an essential aspect of conservative 'rebuttals'?

    from the linked Telegraph article
    An ONS spokesman said: "The renewed focus on the quality of crime recording is likely to have prompted improved compliance with national standards, leading to more crimes being recorded than previously.
    and
    The separate Crime Survey of England and Wales (CSEW), which makes an estimate of crime levels based on interviews with members of the public, suggested total crime fell 11 per cent to 7 million incidents.

    The CSEW also painted a contradictory picture of violent crime, suggesting an 11 per cent fall.
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