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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The fact that more than three quarters of the output of Hollywood or your TV dramas involve gunplay in one form or another coupled with easy access to many of the guns often featured must certainly have a major psychological effect for many though. The glorification of gun violence as entertainment cannot be right and by dint of its saturation exposure must ultimately take its toll in the real world
    That's a BS comparison. Both of our countries have lots of cop shows and detective dramas...TV & movies...the difference is that our cops carry guns and yours dont. It's just part of the jobs that's different....but the shows arent to highlight violence, they are about solving mysteries and crimes. And criminals often resort to violence. I watch British shows all the time...your criminals are plenty violent.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    No statistically you are about 40 times more likely to be shot than I am
    No, it almost totally depends on where you live. That 40% is not remotely evenly spread across the country.

    The great majority of Americans are at no greater risk of gun accident or death than any other country that has not deprived its people of guns.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Suicide attempts are far more likely to be successful using a gun. Suicide is also three times more likely to be attempted if a gun is in the home

    Gun access tied to greater suicide, murder risk: study | Reuters
    Too bad for those weak, cowardly, or mentally ill people. Their issues are not a reason to curtail other people's rights.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No, it almost totally depends on where you live. That 40% is not remotely evenly spread across the country.

    The great majority of Americans are at no greater risk of gun accident or death than any other country that has not deprived its people of guns.
    By just keeping a gun in their homes they are putting both themselves and their families at much greater risk than they face from crime. We've been through all this already so do I really have to repost everything I have previously that backs this up ?

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    By just keeping a gun in their homes they are putting both themselves and their families at much greater risk than they face from crime. We've been through all this already so do I really have to repost everything I have previously that backs this up ?
    And yet...that is not where the vast, VAST majority of the stats you post come from....those accidents and injuries are very low, on par with drownings and dog bites. Not only that, there are many instances where those firearms protect those people (yeah yeah, trot out the whole 'you are more likely to be killed by your own gun' crap.) Bull....

    So you are just flinging poop here....if you want to skew the data blindly to support your beliefs, feel free....you are the one living under the thumb of a population that just willingly handed over a piece of their freedom to their govt and apparently value safety over freedom.

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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And yet...that is not where the vast, VAST majority of the stats you post come from....those accidents and injuries are very low, on par with drownings and dog bites. Not only that, there are many instances where those firearms protect those people (yeah yeah, trot out the whole 'you are more likely to be killed by your own gun' crap.) Bull....
    As you were shown already at great length and referencing multiple studies and crime stats you are WRONG

    So you are just flinging poop here....if you want to skew the data blindly to support your beliefs, feel free....you are the one living under the thumb of a population that just willingly handed over a piece of their freedom to their govt and apparently value safety over freedom.
    I don't need to skew anything to support my position the numbers are the numbers. We are far freer than you will ever be given we are free of the fear of being shot so keep waving the flag and circling the wagons as long as you like

    "Freedom doesnt mean safe, it means free."
    Call me picky but I'm pretty sure freedom is not defined by the ability to kill or be killed with far greater facility. Thats not a 'freedom' anyone else in the civilised world would recognise as such nor choose to indulge in for fairly obvious reasons. They just need to look at the US as the perfect example why.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Terrible, just terrible especially for his co-workers and loved ones. He is blissfully unaware of the heartache he leaves behind under his colleagues and his loved ones. There is no excuse whatsoever to kill a police officer like this (and to not make people misunderstand, but if a police officer is strangling you or is trying to illegally kill you outside and in contravention of what is legal).
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    As you were shown already at great length and referencing multiple studies and crime stats you are WRONG



    I don't need to skew anything to support my position the numbers are the numbers. We are far freer than you will ever be given we are free of the fear of being shot so keep waving the flag and circling the wagons as long as you like



    Call me picky but I'm pretty sure freedom is not defined by the ability to kill or be killed with far greater facility. Thats not a 'freedom' anyone else in the civilised world would recognise as such nor choose to indulge in for fairly obvious reasons. They just need to look at the US as the perfect example why.
    Flogger, your posts on this are a great example of progressive authoritarianism...You don't live here but think you can tell us what we should own, or not own...

    I am happy that you agree with the policies of where you live, and hope you stay there...
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Flogger, your posts on this are a great example of progressive authoritarianism...You don't live here but think you can tell us what we should own, or not own...
    Perhaps I just don't like hypocrisy that attempts to conflate freedom with the ability to kill and be killed with ever greater facility. That has nothing whatsoever to do with authoritarianism but just basic human values

    I am happy that you agree with the policies of where you live, and hope you stay there...
    I'm glad I don't live somewhere where I have to live in armed paranoid fear of everyone else too

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Where did I do that ?

    right...




    They have been using the same methodologies since 1981 with todays crime figures being at historic lows since then
    Scotland Yard chief admits claims of crime figure manipulation contain some truth - Telegraph


    Why risk your family by doing so ?

    My family is not at risk and more than yours.


    No statistically you are about 40 times more likely to be shot than I am

    incorrect. given that over 90% of all gun violence in the US involves people with criminal records on people with criminal records, I am NOT "40 times more likely to be shot" than you...
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