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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I agree, just like violent criminals who by definition dont follow the law or respect rights dont follow gun laws.
    Yet they find it so much easier to far more violently blight your society given such easy access to firearms

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I had a feeling this was the angle you were shooting for. Instead of blaming people you blame an object.
    Where did I do that ?

    also IIRC wasn't the collection of crime statistics in the UK severely inadequate at best?
    They have been using the same methodologies since 1981 with todays crime figures being at historic lows since then

    I won't begin to tell you how your island nation should handle it's subjects and guns, but here in the US, I'll keep my guns, thank you.
    Why risk your family by doing so ?

    Not a criminal so, statistically, I have about as much a chance as you getting shot these days. *shrug*
    No statistically you are about 40 times more likely to be shot than I am

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    *Sigh*...Well, I see the point you're making now, perhaps next time you could clue the rest of us on and try to refrain from generalizing like that? Fair enough?

    I wrote another piece in another post I don't feel like looking for, but the fact that black culture won't let us forget they are black is certainly part of the problem. Basically what I wrote is that people don't understand the difference between racism and discrimination. Very few cops are racist, but almost everyone discriminates. Ironically the Sci-Fi channels "Through the Wormhole" offered some evidence to what I wrote a few days later with this show:

    Are we all bigots that showed that cultural sterotypes help define our subconscince, and when looking at a black man in a hood holding a cell phone (for example) we are ALL more likely to see a gun, including other black people (this was demonstrated by experiment).

    There is work to be done on both sides, cops need to clean themselves up. Ironically popular black culture is simultaneously embracing and exploiting violent culture and, simultaneously falling victim to it.

    Does that let cops off the hook? of course not, but it should help people understand behavior motivations for discimination, rather than racial motivations.
    No, it certainly doesn't let bad cops off the hook, any more than it ought to let bad citizens off the hook, but the left isn't focusing on blacks who burn down their own homes and loot their own stores, they only pay attention to bad cops, specifically bad white male cops. Bad female cops, they ignore. Bad black cops, they make excuses for. The fact remains that poor blacks make up an inordinate number of criminals. They aren't being discriminated against, they are simply more apt to commit more crimes. It isn't being black that makes them that way, it's the culture that they choose to buy into, a culture that not only permits this kind of anti-social activity, but actively promotes it, but the second anyone suggests that they are a large part of the problem, huge portions of the left scream racism and discrimination. They do not want to deal with the actual problem. The one thing that remains in all of these cases, it is the black man that was engaged in criminal activity before they came to the attention of police. Had they not done that, had they been law abiding citizens in the first place, chances are excellent that nothing bad would have happened to them. Cops, even bad cops, do not often just grab random bystanders out of a crowd and beat them. Yet this is something liberals never bring up, in fact, when it is brought up, they shout it down because it doesn't fit in with their narrative.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Citing your own study

    Although observing violence may increase aggression in the short term for adults and children, long-term effects are most likely to occur for children. Consequently, children need the most protection from repeated exposures to violence. Infrequent exposure is not likely to produce lasting consequences, but parents particularly need to be urged to protect their children against the kinds of repeated exposures that heavy play with violent video games or immersion in violent TV programs is likely to produce.

    That doesn't sound like 'very weak' corellation to me
    Any scientist, let alone a lawyer could pick that apart. To make the leap from a correlation to causation is exceedingly difficult, and you are basing this off of one study. Im not denying a correlation exists (at least in these 2 studies), Im saying its not as simple as saying this correlation exists, therefore its to blame, especially in light of other facts.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yeah its silly. IIRC in the case of the uzi, the father (a physician) was helping his son shoot a full auto uzi for the first time and it whipped around and hit the boy. Horrible-in every way-but a freak accident. Abusus non tollit usum.
    The case I remember was a young boy firing a full auto gun, losing control and shooting the range instructor. I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time though because people make poor life choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Any scientist, let alone a lawyer could pick that apart. To make the leap from a correlation to causation is exceedingly difficult, and you are basing this off of one study. Im not denying a correlation exists (at least in these 2 studies), Im saying its not as simple as saying this correlation exists, therefore its to blame, especially in light of other facts.
    Psychological studies by their very definition cannot be empirically based however having 3 academic studies (one of which disseminated the results from 14 others) coming to broadly similar conclusions is fairly compelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The case I remember was a young boy firing a full auto gun, losing control and shooting the range instructor. I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time though because people make poor life choices.
    It only happens 'all the time' in the US though.

    Internationally most people don't need it explained to them why putting any kind of firearm into the hands of a child might not be a good idea under any circumstances

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The case I remember was a young boy firing a full auto gun, losing control and shooting the range instructor. I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time though because people make poor life choices.
    Maybe its two different cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Psychological studies by their very definition cannot be empirically based however having 3 academic studies (one of which disseminated the results from 14 others) coming to broadly similar conclusions is fairly compelling.
    Lets be honest, you and I both spend about 3 minutes with google-hardly compelling and I say this as a scientist. Any scientist or lawyer would say the same-and NO Im not citing the lawyer because they are scientific authorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Lets be honest, you and I both spend about 3 minutes with google-hardly compelling and I say this as a scientist. Any scientist or lawyer would say the same-and NO Im not citing the lawyer because they are scientific authorities.
    Well I've presented the relevant studies so I guess it just depends what you'd rather believe then

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