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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    I'm guessing that was just a bit of provocation.
    It was a typo...
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    - Taking of a human life without just cause. Protest to show senseless killings need to stop.

    - I see no reason to riot. All riots do is hurt innocent people.


    Hope your not one that believes the killing of this LEO was justified.
    I ask this question earlier. Who would be the target of the protest in this scenario? And why protest cop killing now? Cops killed in the line of duty isn't exactly a new thing.

    By the way. In case you didn't know, the guy was caught with the help from the same community that some say were happy that the officer was murdered.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Of course not because these liberal asshats don't think all lives matter. They're probably celebrating the death of Moore by going out and looting a store or something.
    As a "liberal asshat", I think all lives matter. Care to help me understand the distinction between the Op and say.....The recent shooting in South Carolina or is bashing liberals just your religion?

    You've made many cogent points in the past on other topics, and while I don't always agree I can respect your opinion, but this is just garbage, you're better than that.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    As a "liberal asshat", I think all lives matter. Care to help me understand the distinction between the Op and say.....The recent shooting in South Carolina or is bashing liberals just your religion?

    You've made many cogent points in the past on other topics, and while I don't always agree I can respect your opinion, but this is just garbage, you're better than that.
    Oh, I was just thinking of cases, like the college president that was made to apologize for accidentally thinking that all lives matter, that's all...
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Who is arguing that the right to guns being inalienable means kids should shoot uzi's and have guns left out next to them? How would the owner not be culpable for that? Its certainly the law where I am.

    Is this what you meant by "run wild"?

    BTW-a semi auto uzi with strict supervision is easy to control and mild on the recoil-there are worse choices for kids-but ALL involve adult supervision.
    Look, gun owners come with a wide array of ideas that they think are acceptable when it comes to gun safety, accountability, self protection and laws they agree and don't agree with.

    Are you serious in your question about inalienable rights of gun ownership?

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    Another example

    The Heritage Foundation's take

    As far as Uzi's are concerned, while never having shot one, I am very familiar with the characteristics of the bullet variants used well, all but the .41AE. The others 9mm, .22LR, .45ACP are all rounds I use in weapons I own. You mention semi-auto. The weapons in both cases I left links for were full auto. I assume given the recoil the weapons were using the most common variant of the Uzi, the 9mm as we both know 22LR has almost no recoil and its hard to believe that anyone, even a serious gun nut would give an inexperienced kid an Uzi firing .45acp.

    If you are onboard with weapon accountability, then we have little to argue about, but every time I bring up changes in gun culture I'm accused of being an extreme liberal who only wants to take away firearms.

    It was gun culture run amok that allowed the children in the examples I gave to take apart in the things that they did. These weren't parent's out on a private shooting range in Montana or West Virginia. In the case of the 8 year old boy, it was an event sponsored by the local police chief with lots of people witnessing and instructors around and no one thought to say, "hey, U'm, It's a really bad idea for your 8yo to be shooting a fully auto 9mm Uzi. If anyone had said that, they would have been attacked and reminded of our "rights"..ect, ect....It's crazy and it needs to change.

    In the irony of ironies, the father that allowed his son to shoot a fully automatic Uzi that killed him, not only isn't held accountable, but he collects a settlement of $700K (collected from the gun and ammunition manufactures) and writes a book on dealing with grief that sells for $24 a pop on Amazon....

    Seriously F-ed up.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh, I was just thinking of cases, like the college president that was made to apologize for accidentally thinking that all lives matter, that's all...
    *Sigh*...Well, I see the point you're making now, perhaps next time you could clue the rest of us on and try to refrain from generalizing like that? Fair enough?

    I wrote another piece in another post I don't feel like looking for, but the fact that black culture won't let us forget they are black is certainly part of the problem. Basically what I wrote is that people don't understand the difference between racism and discrimination. Very few cops are racist, but almost everyone discriminates. Ironically the Sci-Fi channels "Through the Wormhole" offered some evidence to what I wrote a few days later with this show:

    Are we all bigots that showed that cultural sterotypes help define our subconscince, and when looking at a black man in a hood holding a cell phone (for example) we are ALL more likely to see a gun, including other black people (this was demonstrated by experiment).

    There is work to be done on both sides, cops need to clean themselves up. Ironically popular black culture is simultaneously embracing and exploiting violent culture and, simultaneously falling victim to it.

    Does that let cops off the hook? of course not, but it should help people understand behavior motivations for discimination, rather than racial motivations.
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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Look, gun owners come with a wide array of ideas that they think are acceptable when it comes to gun safety, accountability, self protection and laws they agree and don't agree with.

    Are you serious in your question about inalienable rights of gun ownership?



    Another example

    The Heritage Foundation's take

    As far as Uzi's are concerned, while never having shot one, I am very familiar with the characteristics of the bullet variants used well, all but the .41AE. The others 9mm, .22LR, .45ACP are all rounds I use in weapons I own. You mention semi-auto. The weapons in both cases I left links for were full auto. I assume given the recoil the weapons were using the most common variant of the Uzi, the 9mm as we both know 22LR has almost no recoil and its hard to believe that anyone, even a serious gun nut would give an inexperienced kid an Uzi firing .45acp.

    If you are onboard with weapon accountability, then we have little to argue about, but every time I bring up changes in gun culture I'm accused of being an extreme liberal who only wants to take away firearms.

    It was gun culture run amok that allowed the children in the examples I gave to take apart in the things that they did. These weren't parent's out on a private shooting range in Montana or West Virginia. In the case of the 8 year old boy, it was an event sponsored by the local police chief with lots of people witnessing and instructors around and no one thought to say, "hey, U'm, It's a really bad idea for your 8yo to be shooting a fully auto 9mm Uzi. If anyone had said that, they would have been attacked and reminded of our "rights"..ect, ect....It's crazy and it needs to change.

    In the irony of ironies, the father that allowed his son to shoot a fully automatic Uzi that killed him, not only isn't held accountable, but he collects a settlement of $700K (collected from the gun and ammunition manufactures) and writes a book on dealing with grief that sells for $24 a pop on Amazon....

    Seriously F-ed up.
    Dude, you are talking about a KID, a KID whos father greatly overstated the safety of they weapon. That TRAGEDY is not a justification to curtail my right (which I believe is natural, btw). ALL rights come with responsibility and can be misused even to dangerous effect-if you dont like at least some degree of danger and responsibility, freedom might not be your thing.

    Im a Paramedic I can tell you about the things I have personally seen that might lead you to say there is an out of control "car" culture, would you be for banning those?

    What I did learn from your post-was that perhaps uzi made a .41AE variant, makes sense as they are Israeli companies.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Dude, you are talking about a KID, a KID whos father greatly overstated the safety of they weapon. That TRAGEDY is not a justification to curtail my right (which I believe is natural, btw). ALL rights come with responsibility and can be misused even to dangerous effect-if you dont like at least some degree of danger and responsibility, freedom might not be your thing.

    Im a Paramedic I can tell you about the things I have personally seen that might lead you to say there is an out of control "car" culture, would you be for banning those?

    What I did learn from your post-was that perhaps uzi made a .41AE variant, makes sense as they are Israeli companies.



    *sigh*

    Just as the hypothetical refusal to cater pizza to a gay wedding triggers death threats, every accident involving a gun demands a call for gun control.

    And I keep making the case that crime and gun control have no relationship whatsoever, and accidents can happen with any sport or hobby. In the 60's I knew of a kid who lost the ability to talk because he took a hockey puck in the throat. Ban hockey pucks!

    I feel off a mountain years ago, cracked several ribs and tore the ligaments in my knee. Ban the Rockies!

    Now let's consider a 23 year old kid in a high powered Porsche with a head full of coke and a belly full of booze going 185Km down I-5.

    What the **** do you "control" there that isn't already "controlled"

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Will there be crowds in the street brandishing signs that say "All Lives Matter"? Will Sharpton be speaking out against the actions of this black criminal that killed Officer Moore? Will there be a DOJ investigation into the rights of this officer's rights being violated?
    It's different in that one is a cop representing the government, while we mourn his death, hashtags and protests would not have anyone to focus on. The crowds that gather for his procession, funeral, are whats appropriate, who would you protest?



    How long in this thread before someone stands up for the criminal in this story? I mean long arrest record, and appeared to have a gun in his waistband? I mean, "No probable cause" right? To these people that argue this crap, the officer 'got what he deserved' right? Disgusting....
    Probably a lot longer that it will take someone to use this dead cop as a bat against those for police reform..... oh wait.


    And third officer killing in six months? But it's not a dangerous job though...
    It's not as dangerous as we are led to believe. please with the emotional arguments and using this tragedy and crime as a reason to attack those looking to make policing better for everyone.

    This is NYC alone.

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    Re: Shot NYPD cop dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    *sigh*

    Just as the hypothetical refusal to cater pizza to a gay wedding triggers death threats, every accident involving a gun demands a call for gun control.

    And I keep making the case that crime and gun control have no relationship whatsoever, and accidents can happen with any sport or hobby. In the 60's I knew of a kid who lost the ability to talk because he took a hockey puck in the throat. Ban hockey pucks!

    I feel off a mountain years ago, cracked several ribs and tore the ligaments in my knee. Ban the Rockies!

    Now let's consider a 23 year old kid in a high powered Porsche with a head full of coke and a belly full of booze going 185Km down I-5.

    What the **** do you "control" there that isn't already "controlled"

    As is always the case with Amerkan liberals, thinking is not required
    Yeah its silly. IIRC in the case of the uzi, the father (a physician) was helping his son shoot a full auto uzi for the first time and it whipped around and hit the boy. Horrible-in every way-but a freak accident. Abusus non tollit usum.

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