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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Yes, I do remember that - but it was billions, not trillions, and was probably caused in part by people who bought a house they couldn't afford, and when the "teaser" interest rate became a real interest rate, they defaulted and walked away, leaving the banks with houses they didn't want on their books.

    Whatever happened to the "old-fashioned" bankers who wouldn't give you a loan until they verified that you had a job, weren't currently in debt over your head, had never filed for bankruptcy, made sure you could repay the loan they might make to you, and wanted you to produce the past two years of IRS filings to verify your job earnings? That used to be the rules, and banks were sound back then. Hence the saying "you can take that to the bank," which meant it was a sure thing. Not any more, I guess!

    The point in my post was to show that American taxpayers are on the hook for nearly $160 trillion dollars for European derivatives - derivatives that are only pieces of paper with nothing backing them! And that's only what I know about, but it's probably more! I know that banks all over the world are tied together, but neither the American taxpayers, nor the Federal Reserve nor the FDIC have the money to cover this outrageous amount, so why does it fall on us to be responsible for it? "Too big to fail" is not our doing! They gambled with the money they received, and it's our fault? Nuts to that! :
    I think businesses in general will become weaker and weaker over time while the government expands and continues to take on the responsibilities that the businesses used to. Look at this past recession and how long it's taken to come out of...I think it's because the government is trying their best to keep people and businesses from failing when I think that's exactly what we need, to fail and to learn those harsh lessons so we can mature and come back stronger. Our economy should have come roaring back, leaner and tougher than before... that didn't happen.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

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    I think businesses in general will become weaker and weaker over time while the government expands and continues to take on the responsibilities that the businesses used to. Look at this past recession and how long it's taken to come out of...I think it's because the government is trying their best to keep people and businesses from failing when I think that's exactly what we need, to fail and to learn those harsh lessons so we can mature and come back stronger. Our economy should have come roaring back, leaner and tougher than before... that didn't happen.
    Greetings, JC Callender. !

    Glad to see you back! We missed you! I think government is doing their best to make life rough for businesses, with more and more rules and regulations all the time. Why do you think California is losing businesses, who flee to more business-friendly States? When businesses close, people lose their jobs, then who is left to pay the taxes so the State can spend it?

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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, JC Callender. !

    Glad to see you back! We missed you! I think government is doing their best to make life rough for businesses, with more and more rules and regulations all the time. Why do you think California is losing businesses, who flee to more business-friendly States? When businesses close, people lose their jobs, then who is left to pay the taxes so the State can spend it?
    Thanks Pg
    Here in Michigan, Gov. Snyder cut biz taxes and he also cut the state EIC and our economy has been slowly coming back. There's talk of him maybe running for prez, but we here in Mi. are in talks now of raising the sales tax because global warming has caused our last two winters to be two of the coldest on record which has in turn ruined most of our roads, and of course it's nearly impossible to cut entitlements, so they're looking at the sales tax, which won't bode well if he does decide to run.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Thanks Pg
    Here in Michigan, Gov. Snyder cut biz taxes and he also cut the state EIC and our economy has been slowly coming back. There's talk of him maybe running for prez, but we here in Mi. are in talks now of raising the sales tax because global warming has caused our last two winters to be two of the coldest on record which has in turn ruined most of our roads, and of course it's nearly impossible to cut entitlements, so they're looking at the sales tax, which won't bode well if he does decide to run.
    Hatuey had a great idea last week - he suggested that people receiving entitlements be required to work to earn part of them, even if it's only a few hours a week. Lord knows there's plenty to be done to repair our infrastructure, etc, so I think it's a great idea and I told him so. Why should those that go to work every day have to pay more taxes, while others don't have to work at all, but get government help with food stamps and rent subsidies when they are able to work, but don't? That isn't fair!

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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Hatuey had a great idea last week - he suggested that people receiving entitlements be required to work to earn part of them, even if it's only a few hours a week. Lord knows there's plenty to be done to repair our infrastructure, etc, so I think it's a great idea and I told him so. Why should those that go to work every day have to pay more taxes, while others don't have to work at all, but get government help with food stamps and rent subsidies when they are able to work, but don't? That isn't fair!
    Yeah because why use union workers at middle class wages when welfare recipients will work 8 hours a week for less....

    I'm not comfy with the idea of welfare recipients repairing bridges and highways, if a Welfare client is qualified to do that work they're probably either already working or disabled and can't work
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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Hatuey had a great idea last week - he suggested that people receiving entitlements be required to work to earn part of them, even if it's only a few hours a week. Lord knows there's plenty to be done to repair our infrastructure, etc, so I think it's a great idea and I told him so. Why should those that go to work every day have to pay more taxes, while others don't have to work at all, but get government help with food stamps and rent subsidies when they are able to work, but don't? That isn't fair!
    It's incredible how politicians get up in arms over the thought of them working too! Same with drug tests, geez, what's the big deal. It has to be for the votes.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

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    Yeah because why use union workers at middle class wages when welfare recipients will work 8 hours a week for less....

    I'm not comfy with the idea of welfare recipients repairing bridges and highways, if a Welfare client is qualified to do that work they're probably either already working or disabled and can't work
    A welfare recipient can hold the "Stop/Go" sign in construction, or shovel blacktop repair into a pothole. There are many manual labor jobs.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

    I've never understood that thinking. Why should they not have to work if they're able bodied? It might help improve their self esteem, and minimize the anger you see when they feel life hasn't treated them fairly.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Hatuey had a great idea last week - he suggested that people receiving entitlements be required to work to earn part of them, even if it's only a few hours a week. Lord knows there's plenty to be done to repair our infrastructure, etc, so I think it's a great idea and I told him so. Why should those that go to work every day have to pay more taxes, while others don't have to work at all, but get government help with food stamps and rent subsidies when they are able to work, but don't? That isn't fair!

    Oops.

    Great idea...on paper and I helped get it off the ground.

    It went like this: Vancouver is hosting the Winter Games 2010. There are billions and billions being thrown around for 200 miles of highway through the most challenging terrain on the Pacific Coast, a sub way, skating ovals and, of course, the Olympic Village. And that was this great idea. Make a percentage of the work force people on disability, street people, as laborers and traffic directors etc.

    Hmmm, great idea did not allow for drug use, alcoholism and all the **** that got them on disability in the first place. Long and short of it was the developers eventually paid them to stay away; there were accidents, problems, mistakes and the village barely opened on time.

    I ran a "social enterprise" company, a registered not for profit for the purpose of creating jobs, regular jobs for those very people. And that was the biggest prob\lem we had, not showing up. When they did, wham! they worked and then some. However, along the way I learned that you have to use an entirely different set of managerial tools and have a system to counter no-shows. And forget profit, if you do not have the not for profit status you die.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton agrees to testify on Benghazi, emails this month

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    If you have something to say, use words.
    And who made you the arbiter of what arguments are acceptable or not?
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