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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think in many ways the acquisition of Compaq made a lot of sense at the time. Compaq had a strong presence in the data center and at that time that is where it looked like the real growth would be (it wasn't).
    I'm not convinced it made sense at the time... very few people thought it made sense ....

    using hindsight, however, the decision turned out to be nearly universally recognized as a good one....her decision has absolutely been vindicted.
    the Board of HP... well, that another matter.. .certian bapord members have been shown ot have been wrong in opposing the decision.. and they have been shown to to be extremely unethical ( as evident by the subsequent HP spying scandal)


    in any event, I think her style of management can be called into question( sowing internal discord, for example)... but the results of her decisions ( compaq mergr, and even pullign the plug on the Pricewaterhouse merger) relly aren't open to challange... they were proven sucesses.

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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    With all due respect, I find it hard to believe you're writing about Ms. Fiorina in terms of, "Elements such as leadership, ability to align support, work within economic constraints, etc., likely are transferable."

    Are you familiar with her career to a bit of depth? (I realize the bulk of the general public & electorate obviously are not)

    I've spent much of my life working in technology, including for one of her main competitors (with their telecom divisions literally a few miles away) when she was at Lucent Technologies; this is a large market with a very small number of really big players - literally counted on one hand. I've followed her career since she made quite the splash "breaking the glass ceilings" while rising-up through the management ranks of the then male dominated tech-telecom industry in the '80's, coincident with starting my tech career then.

    She was there in a leadership role during the late '90's when Lucent crashed, burned, and was subsequently scooped-up from the ashes for a mere pittance by Alcatel at the turn of the millennium. Fleeing to the helm of HP, she took one of the most storied & respected names in technology and literally trashed them! It's hard to believe, but she somehow figured out how to consistently make every decision literally in the worst way - her record there is not even mixed, but is one of (grossly destructive) mistake-after-mistake consistently, until finally she was forced out under duress from a corporation in chaos & shambles, leaving it a mere troubled shadow of the tech giant it had once been.

    Her record & leadership were so bad, she was tossed-out of the tech-world for good, and reduced to running her non-profit foundation, but even that ran afoul of tax regulations due to her ineptitude (or perhaps worse).

    She is the joke of the tech & corporate worlds, to the point of being unemployable in either (since HP - ca. 2005).

    And now she has political aspirations aspiring to the top leadership position in the free world?

    TL;DR - Ms. Fiorina has an abysmal corporate leadership record.
    Three points:

    First, I don’t see her becoming a first-tier candidate with a serious chance of capturing the nomination.

    Second, it will be her challenge to suggest that her experience provides elements that are transferable. I gave examples of the kind of elements that would be transferable. Whether she demonstrates she possesses them is a different matter.

    Clearly, her tenure at HP was controversial and relatively short-lived, so we’re not dealing with a senior executive who indisputably had a lengthy and successful tenure. But was it all bad?

    Her critics will suggest that it was. She will argue otherwise, almost certainly suggesting that her ‘tough choices’ positioned it for longer-term success. Whose narrative will prevail remains to be seen.

    Third, at the time she was working in senior management at Lucent, the company had largely become little more than a “go-go firm” seeking growth at virtually any risk. The company’s practices of financing purchases of its products that might otherwise not have taken place (common in manias, as one saw with the degradation of mortgage lending as the housing bubble ballooned) and its acquisitions binge could not have been farther removed from its early history as Bell Labs. It was transformed into a high risk technology company that had little resemblance to its long, successful history within AT&T as Bell Labs.

    She was a senior manager, but the CEO almost certainly played a much larger role in setting and pursuing the company’s strategic direction. IMO, given its strengths and opportunities, Lucent should have become an industry leader.

    The toxic practices of revenue growth maximization and dizzying acquisitions binge destroyed it, for all intents and purposes. I suspect that Lucent’s acquisitions may well have colored her overall perspective on such deals, though I haven’t read her autobiography, so I’m not fully sure of this. However, the fact remains that Ms. Fiorina was just one of the senior managers involved in running Lucent. She bears some, but not all of the responsibility for its demise. The campaign offers an opportunity for critics to vet that part of her record, as well as for her to provide a defense.

    Personally, I look forward to that debate. It might make for one of the more serious campaign discussions in an environment in which campaigns are often mounted on the basis of numerous but shallow soundbites.

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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Respectable? Isn't that the campaign where she made an ad about evil sheep that became an international laughing stock?

    Also, I believe she has said that she will not run for the Senate in 2016
    By respectable, I mean she wasn't defeated in an overwhelming landslide. Despite starting with very little name recognition and very unfavorable voter registration numbers, she came within 10 points of defeating an incumbent Senator in her very first run for office.

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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am assuming she is running to try to get to be the VP nominee.
    That's a possibility, too. However, I think it's less likely as the GOP's nominee will need someone who can carry a critical state e.g., Ohio. I don't think Ms. Fiorina, even if she were the VP candidate would be able to shift California to the GOP. Her lack of governance experience would also be a decided liability, as one should presume that the VP is capable of immediately stepping into the role of the Presidency, if needed.

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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids | Fox News

    It's (finally) official


    Let the games begin.
    Fiorina is an absolute idiot whose only accomplishment is being fired by HP for gross incompetence. Her ego obviously has no end if she honestly thinks anyone will even give her a moment of consideration.

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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    By respectable, I mean she wasn't defeated in an overwhelming landslide. Despite starting with very little name recognition and very unfavorable voter registration numbers, she came within 10 points of defeating an incumbent Senator in her very first run for office.
    What are you talking about. Boxer slaughtered her.

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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids | Fox News

    It's (finally) official


    Let the games begin.
    They are both just media creations.

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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am assuming she is running to try to get to be the VP nominee.
    That would be hilarious. The GOP would have a VP candidate that actually makes Sarah Palin look smart.

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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wow,

    8 Trillion in new debt, unprecedented Monetary Stimulus, 6 years of low interest rates and the best Obama can do is to barely manage 2 percent GDP.

    Homeowner-ship rates have fallen every year since 2008 and are currently a 20 year low ( with 6 years of record low interest rates ) median house hold income still haven't reached 2007 levels yet and a LFPR falling to a 30 year low with Foodstamp use up 40 percent and the disability rates doubled.

    Corporations are hoarding Trillions in Capital Banks are leaving Trlions in excess reserves sit at the FED rather than risk it in the economy. Investors would rather pile into a Stock market propped up with FED stimulus than invest in Obama's economy.

    That last GDP report was pathetic. So, Obama's driven it into the ground and like I said the only one out therr with the potential to do any worse is Sanders.
    there isn't 8 trillion in new debt, we can just start there.

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    Re: Carson, Fiorina announce 2016 presidential bids

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What are you talking about. Boxer slaughtered her.
    Boxer won 52%-42%.

    California Senate election 2010: Sen. Barbara Boxer defeats Carly Fiorina

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