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Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit [W:439, 529, 978, 1489]

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Somerville said:
You might wish to do a bit of reading before posting things that aren't true.
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Zingo! You got me! Oh snap! Lol sorry bud, I don't keep up on the life and times of every nutcase?in America. All I remembered was back in 2010 when it was all over the news, and then he had a change of heart and didn't burn them.

Either case, the point was that the govt never stepped in and stopped him (USA doesn't operate that way, and that's what I was trying to convey.).
 
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Somerville said:
See post #474
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Nope, Early immigrants that came to this country held on to their traditions, that is true, but that is NOT refusal to assimilate to this country's culture, and customs in living day to day...many legal immigrants try hard, and teach their children to assimilate immediately upon being absorbed into this country's population...It is IMHO, only those that interlope into this country without appreciating what this country offers them that refuse to do so.

And the problem is that those that don't have more than a few self centered, easily led cretins that were born here and don't appreciate what they have either, so there is support for using up, and destroying what is America, which makes it doubly sad.
 
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VanceMack said:
How do you propose to get on top of this home grown Ismlamic extremisim...and in the meantime do you suggest people just hide in their baseme.......

Hey....WAIT a second....

I thought Islamic terrorism in the US wasnt something people should worry about? I thought every time its been brought up its been tea party conservative whack job types overreacting?
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My first suggestion would be for civilians to stop fanning the flames and putting themselves at risk. As I said before it isn't unprecedented for the US gov/ authorities to step in when they think that hate speech could endanger lives, if I'm not mistaken didn't your government intervene in the case of that Florida pastor?
 
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I can't be the only one amused that they tried to attack some people in Texas and we're both shot dead before they caused harm. It wasn't France. Our cops are armed to the teeth and so are the citizens.
 
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Higgins86 said:
I just think it's a shame people have to stoop that low to get their opinion heard, I also think its a shame for the Police officers and all other local security forces that are put in danger due to events like these.
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Exercising free speech doesn't come without risks and it has always been this way. Now it is Islam which is thought to be above criticism or ridicule, earlier it was the Communists, Nazis, Fascists and every other petty dictator throughout the world..

Normally there would never have been a contest like this but a point had to be made, and these people had the guts to make it.
 
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Higgins86 said:
My first suggestion would be for civilians to stop fanning the flames and putting themselves at risk. As I said before it isn't unprecedented for the US gov/ authorities to step in when they think that hate speech could endanger lives, if I'm not mistaken didn't your government intervene in the case of that Florida pastor?
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You hear that ladies? Stop dresing up...showing wrists and ankles and wearing perfume and make-up.
 
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stonewall50 said:
I can't be the only one amused that they tried to attack some people in Texas and we're both shot dead before they caused harm. It wasn't France. Our cops are armed to the teeth and so are the citizens.
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Geller paid for at least 40 police to be on hand during the cartoon event. There was a SWAT team present as can be seen in the video from inside the building when shots were fired. Not quite comparable to the attack on Charlie Hebdo in Paris
 
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j-mac said:
Nope, Early immigrants that came to this country held on to their traditions, that is true, but that is NOT refusal to assimilate to this country's culture, and customs in living day to day...many legal immigrants try hard, and teach their children to assimilate immediately upon being absorbed into this country's population...It is IMHO, only those that interlope into this country without appreciating what this country offers them that refuse to do so.

And the problem is that those that don't have more than a few self centered, easily led cretins that were born here and don't appreciate what they have either, so there is support for using up, and destroying what is America, which makes it doubly sad.
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And there wasn't much killing of others because someone may have insulted their God.
 
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Higgins86 said:
But our middle east interventions don't explain why Native born Muslims are becoming more fanatic.
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Yes, it does.
It wasn't a war on Islam it was a war on terror, a war which is still going on
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You can't have a war against a concept, and you don't defeat terror by using greater terror.
 
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The best part of this is that these jihadists sons of whores got killed. To hell with them. Now if we would only starting eliminating their pals overseas by the boatload, wherever they can be located. I doubt these curs have much heart, when they're facing artillery and B-1's, rather than murdering unarmed, helpless captives.
 
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LowDown said:
Two shot dead outside Muhammad Art Exhibit in Garland

This was at a facility in Garland, Texas, near Dallas.

I gather this was an exhibit of artwork that depicts Muhammad, a la Charlie Hebdo, in defiance of radical Muslims and in affirmation of freedom of speech.

Two guys drove up armed with guns and explosives, opened fire, and were killed straight away by return fire.

It's a bad idea to go gunning for any group of Texans without a lot of firepower.
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Garland is a burb of Dallas, where I live. Actually, although it's a bad idea to go gunning after a group of pickup truck bubbas in Texas without a lot of fire power, the two guys DID have a lot of fire power. They were in full body armor, had assault weapons, and there were items in their car that may have been explosives. And who killed them were not the bubbas. There was one off duty cop with a regular duty gun, and a security guard, both sitting in a car outside. The terrorists drove up and opened fire on the police car. The off duty cop got out, aimed, and killed both of 'em tout suite. The security guard was shot in the leg. He's been released from the hospital and is fine.

Two very stupid terrorists. Dead as a doornail, now. Rightly so. All because they don't recognize free speech. Yeah, the group's event was goading the muslims and done intentionally to anger them. But they have a right to do that.
 
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Higgins86 said:
My first suggestion would be for civilians to stop fanning the flames and putting themselves at risk. As I said before it isn't unprecedented for the US gov/ authorities to step in when they think that hate speech could endanger lives, if I'm not mistaken didn't your government intervene in the case of that Florida pastor?
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They didn't actually. There was official commentary and a request that he refrain but the right to freedom of speech and expression is much closer to an absolute in the United States than it is elsewhere. There is no exception for 'hate speech' per se, there is only an exception for the imminent and deliberate incitement of violence, an exception that the courts have held to very tight and very specific circumstances. The mere probability that violence will occur is not nearly enough.
 
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US Conservative said:
It takes instances like these to remind us of where the left stands (for itself only). They spend the interim between said events convincing everyone that they dont actually mean what they do.
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Short memories are convenient.

That's why we see so much pretzel logic, what was taboo one day, is now SOP, depending on the circumstances.

To them "mob violence" is a Republican nomination meeting, while death threats against Christians is because "we were provoked"...or whatever excuse is running that day.

I notice to that there isn't much push back nor reply to you comments about Islam being so friendly and passive as "Owe" has so many times.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Garland is a burb of Dallas, where I live. Actually, although it's a bad idea to go gunning after a group of pickup truck bubbas in Texas without a lot of fire power, the two guys DID have a lot of fire power. They were in full body armor, had assault weapons, and there were items in their car that may have been explosives. And who killed them were not the bubbas. There was one off duty cop with a regular duty gun, and a security guard, both sitting in a car outside. The terrorists drove up and opened fire on the police car. The off duty cop got out, aimed, and killed both of 'em tout suite. The security guard was shot in the leg. He's been released from the hospital and is fine.

Two very stupid terrorists. Dead as a doornail, now. Rightly so. All because they don't recognize free speech. Yeah, the group's event was goading the muslims and done intentionally to anger them. But they have a right to do that.
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My family lives in Garland, and I was out visiting them last night when this occurred. That officer acted heroically. And what a shot! Got both of them in the head, as they were wearing body armor. They shot one security guard in the ankle.

If you know your bible, this is written "the serpent will strike your heel, and you will crush it's skull"

Almost prophetic
 
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VanceMack said:
Well...lets see. People are saying that it is an expected 'consequence'....that one can expect such a response to an act of free speech from extremists-that sort of sounds like blaming the people that hosted and attened the free speech event, doesnt it? Does that mean we can soon expect other responses as a natural 'consequence' from extremists in the US?
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It's actually equal parts blaming the victim and having a very low expectation of Muslims. "Well duh, you insult Mohammed and Muslims shoot you!"
 
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jmotivator said:
It's actually equal parts blaming the victim and having a very low expectation of Muslims. "Well duh, you insult Mohammed and Muslims shoot you!"
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I just am really perplexed. Those same people in this thread saying "watch your free expression and you wont be targeted" are the types that say "as if Muslims are a threat......."
 
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tech30528 said:
Well in this country we have freedom of speech, and shooting someone for drawing a picture is and should be treated as a crime regardless of religious affiliation. The "offended" in this case do not have the right to murder over it.
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It's amazing that you have to explain that to some people...
 
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I almost think the mouse trap element of this is to be lauded, not condemned.

Good riddance to bad jihadist.
 
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Andalublue said:
Yes, it does. You can't have a war against a concept, and you don't defeat terror by using greater terror.
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Yes, terror is a tactic. Not a cause or a war. Terrorism can't be defeated through the use of violence, since it's a tactic of extremists willing to die for a cause. The only way to combat it is to get to young people and win their hearts & minds, and to help them have something to live for.

But terrorism works, which is why it's used. Ask the IRA.
 
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Higgins86 said:
I don't think they should be murdered but if they do end up getting hurt doing something stupid/provocative I will not shed a tear. Stupid is as stupid does.



End of the day we have massive issues with homegrown extremists right now and events like these don't really help.
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Do I smell fear? Capitulate and the problem grows exponentially.
 
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