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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not at all. The two are separate. Doing something stupid, purposely drawing offensive pictures, is stupid and inciting violence. They are to blame for that but not for the violence... that is 100% the attackers fault. Putting a hand grenade in a childrens park is stupid especially if you know that there are people that want to pull the pin out there that will do it.
    I understand that -- I was just referring to the approach of the "must demonize libs at all cost" crowd.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    libs are against Free Speech if it counters their religion....that being liberalism! liberalism transcends all rational thought!
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    awww.. you can lie about what i say, but i can't lie about what you say?... that's not very fair.
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    in that case, some of us would still blame the violent extremists, and you guys would still blame the group holding the event.
    Emphasis mine. Pointing out that the group is a bag of dicks is not "blaming" them for violence.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    libs are against Free Speech if it counters their religion....that being liberalism! liberalism transcends all rational thought!
    Quite honestly, you don't seem like a liberal to me.

    But I find it interesting that you seem to think you know what they think.
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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no worries.. i'm not offended... I won't come shoot at you or otherwise assault you.

    my short skirt analogy relies on incitement of sexual thoughts (not an invitation for sex, as you said) of some men.
    talking trash about Mohammed, or drawing pictures of him, or whatever...incites anger in some extremists Muslims.

    inciting these emotions simply doesn't' justify illegitimate reactions... and the victim ,in either case, is held blameless for the illegitimate actions of those whom retaliate.

    no one has to like or agree with what these people are doing... but they have the right to do so, and nobody has the right to assault them over their speech.... end of story.
    there's no hemming and hawwing about it.. there's no bull**** about " that's not legitimate free speech" or whatever... all that is nonsense. it's very cut and dry.

    calling her and her people hateful bigots is irrelevant to the issue.... she did nothign wrong and did not deserve any attempt to assault her and her people... period.
    her behavior or beliefs come into play if they were illegitimate... other than that, they don't matter one bit.
    No one has to like what Ms. Geller, Mr. Wilders, or anyone else who is a sworn enemy of Islamists has to say. All that counts is their right to say it, and in this country there is no question about that right. If some Islamist doesn't like it, that's just too damned bad. I hope artists who loathe Islam will express that loathing in the same way other artists have expressed their loathing of Christianity. Maybe someone will exhibit a figure of Muhammad immersed in urine or smeared with elephant dung. I also look forward to more Koran-burnings, just to make clear that when Americans want to speak, we do not ask foreign savages for permission.

    People in other countries can grovel to jihadists if they want. But the right way for Americans to answer these curs, when they attack our fundamental personal liberties, is to exercise those liberties all the more forcefully. If we want to call ourselves free people, we can never, never, never be cowed by the threat of violence from these bastards, or any others.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Agreed, which makes my point.



    FearandLoathing conflated the two, not seeing any difference between an LGBT rally and an event solely devoted to provoking retaliation. The GOP is doomed to fail on a national level until people like that are no longer the majority of the GOP base.


    Why doesn't anything I've previously said not apply PissChrist..Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Yes the artist has a right to produce the art, but does his right to produce it free him from the consequences of making that art? When you do things to cause a reaction, especially one that wouldn't have happened otherwise, then you share in the blame for the consequences.
    Yeah, and when that guy was beheaded by the offended Christians... oh wait, that didn't happen.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    One thing came to mind when I heard about Pamela Geller's event in Texas ----- wow ----- that takes some balls.

    And then after hearing about the shooting, I thought ---- attacking at an event in TEXAS thinking you'll actually be able to carry out your plan before someone shoots you?.... in TEXAS??? LOL!


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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    I have to wonder what the jihadist were thinking. There are Texans who hunt feral pigs with high powered suppressed rifles and nightvision for sport and they think this is a good place to to show up spraying bullets?

    My thought on this is this: If you have accepted as your religious beliefs that you need to kill people who will not accept your beliefs, you have declared your intentions. If you show up at an event with the intention of doing just that with the equipment to do it, you are an eminent threat and should be taken out for public defense. Jihadists do what they do with the intention of dying (it is their highest honor). So the cop who shot the two morons did not commit murder as the jihadists intended to die anyway. No different than shooting down a kamikaze plane before it reaches it's target.

    A little further? Why not. Say those same hunters availed themselves as security at such events. Perhap a rooftop hunter would have taken the two armed jihadists down. They may actually be deserving of commendation for saving lived based on what the potential of what the jihadi weapons were. But you certainly can not murder someone who is already dead. It's really only a matter of timing. Now make that perfectly clear and see how often this happens in the future.

    What the politically correct seem to overlook is that you can not dance around violent religious zealots who have already decided to die for their cause and expect them to leave you alone because of your compassion. So is drawing them in to the open and eliminating them a bad thing? It is no different than a police sting to catch drug dealers. So why not accept the help of the public for public safety? You want to be offended? Fine. Do it like the rest of us. Peacefully. Or die for your cause. Whatever you like.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Answered in post #661 right above this... though your failure to be able to read will hinder your comprehension.
    You didn't answer anything; just another stumble round the issue, deflect and lie post like the others, then attack.

    You should take your own advise for therapy. Maybe it can help with reality.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    One thing came to mind when I heard about Pamela Geller's event in Texas ----- wow ----- that takes some balls.

    And then after hearing about the shooting, I thought ---- attacking at an event in TEXAS thinking you'll actually be able to carry out your plan before someone shoots you?.... in TEXAS??? LOL!
    To the bolded. Not really, it just takes hate, and ignorance.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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