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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    We have come to the point that the same people issuing death threats over ****ing pizza now side with terrorists.
    Meet the new left. Isis isn't the problem, conservatives are. And the TEA party is worse than Hamas. See how this works?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Perhaps that unlike europe, in the US we wont be intimidated by medieval thugs?
    I don't find insulting someone because they're not allowed to hit you back to be very praiseworthy. Do you think a KKK march through an all black community to be justified based on the idea that white racists won't be intimidated?

    What if you had a neighbor that started to post racist signs... (This neighborhood believes in white power) etc.. and then publicized it on social media. Someone responds by torching your house. While your neighbour did nothing legally wrong, do you think that they're somewhat responsible for your house being burned down?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Sidenote: This post is a great example of why the GOP isn't going to have a successful presidential candidate for many years.

    Rally 1: People gathering to express pride in who they are, and to show the public at large which didn't accept them that they do in fact exist.
    Rally 2: People gathering for the sole purpose of performing acts designed to anger another group.

    And you can't tell the difference.
    The difference here is in how you PERCEIVE the two rallies.

    It used to be the left would rally behind an artist to defend the art and expression-remember piss Christ?

    But if its a muslim who might be offended (imagine that) and suddenly its crickets.

    You dont have to agree with my observation just understand how you appear.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Her and everyone there had their speech curtailed when two ISIS terrorists with guns and bombs decided to crash the party.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Her first amendment rights were not violated.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I don't find insulting someone because they're not allowed to hit you back to be very praiseworthy. Do you think a KKK march through an all black community to be justified based on the idea that white racists won't be intimidated?

    What if you had a neighbor that started to post racist signs... (This neighborhood believes in white power) etc.. and then publicized it on social media. Someone responds by torching your house. While your neighbour did nothing legally wrong, do you think that they're somewhat responsible for your house being burned down?
    You are confusing two concepts-if something is "praiseworthy" (subjective) or if they should be able to exercise their freedoms (should be objective, not always the case). Now in the examples you cite-the KKK march and racist signs should absolutely be allowed.

    Why would the neighbors be responsible if they did nothing? The people who ACTED (in this case torching or intimidating) are to blame, not the others.

    Just as ISIS is to blame here.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Her first amendment rights were not violated.
    Her SPEECH was curtailed by bombs and bullets, even if not from the govt. Whats hard to understand here?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The difference here is in how you PERCEIVE the two rallies.

    It used to be the left would rally behind an artist to defend the art and expression-remember piss Christ?

    But if its a muslim who might be offended (imagine that) and suddenly its crickets.

    You dont have to agree with my observation just understand how you appear.
    Agreed, which makes my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Insulting someone else for the sole purpose of provoking a retaliation that you can demonize isn't defending free speech. It's being human garbage while hiding behind the flag.
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    Sounds like every LGBT rally ever.
    FearandLoathing conflated the two, not seeing any difference between an LGBT rally and an event solely devoted to provoking retaliation. The GOP is doomed to fail on a national level until people like that are no longer the majority of the GOP base.


    Why doesn't anything I've previously said not apply PissChrist..Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Yes the artist has a right to produce the art, but does his right to produce it free him from the consequences of making that art? When you do things to cause a reaction, especially one that wouldn't have happened otherwise, then you share in the blame for the consequences.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Her SPEECH was curtailed by bombs and bullets, even if not from the govt. Whats hard to understand here?
    The first amendment is a protection from the government, not private entities. The terrorist scum who attacked the gathering may be guilty of a lot, but they weren't guilty of violating her constitutional rights.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Agreed, which makes my point.



    FearandLoathing conflated the two, not seeing any difference between an LGBT rally and an event solely devoted to provoking retaliation. The GOP is doomed to fail on a national level until people like that are no longer the majority of the GOP base.


    Why doesn't anything I've previously said not apply PissChrist..Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Yes the artist has a right to produce the art, but does his right to produce it free him from the consequences of making that art? When you do things to cause a reaction, especially one that wouldn't have happened otherwise, then you share in the blame for the consequences.
    Again, you assume to know why Geller did what she did (merely to antagonize muslims), your premise is that you know best, and so therefore she is wrong. Get over it.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    She most certainly deserves blame. Sorry but when the entire point of your "speech" is to provoke another group into committing a crime you deserve some culpability when people from that group are provoked.

    This does not mean that extremists who attacked the other extremists are in any way justified. They're not. But its' like a white supremacist walking through Compton in full KKK regalia shouting racial slurs, or an abortion clinic posting signs saying that "Jesus loves abortion". When you use your free speech for the sole purpose of pissing people off, then you assume some culpability for the actions you provoke.

    Just because someone is 100% in the wrong, doesn't mean that someone else can't be in the wrong as well.
    WRONG WRONG WRONG

    in a free society, leaders of cults, politicians, celebrities etc are all going to be the target of criticism. I don't recall any Christians shooting up an artu museum in reaction to the "piss Christ" exhibit.

    making fun of Mohammed is a free speech exercise that we Americans should protect and defend. and if people want to commit violence as a result, I say shoot them down as the cop did in this case
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