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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Please read that again.

    One you are saying no one should prevent her from staging these events, but then you rail at her "hatred" as though you know it's hatred.

    How is she "culpable"? How is she to blame [Meriting condemnation, censure or blame, etc] for exercising her right? Is it because YOU disagree with the content?

    That's your problem, she's exhibiting her "art" and you don't like the content, like the big row over the painting of two men kissing some years ago.

    Free speech is free speech, it's there for everyone, including your friends the terrorists.

    I guess in your "liberal" world, free speech is only available to those with a message that is not "culpable"

    Well, **** that. In this country everyone can say what they need to say without fear of people showing up with machne guns, and if they do, THEY are the ones in the wrong.

    We have come to the point that the same people issuing death threats over ****ing pizza now side with terrorists.
    First, back off.
    I didn't issue any death threats over pizza, nor have I sided with any terrorists.

    Second. I'm not the federal government. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean that you should do it. Nor does it excuse you from the consequences. I'm saying that she LEGALLY has the right to hold such events. I'm also saying that she's partially to blame for what happened.

    Hypothetically, say that an employee of the facility was hurt or killed during the shooting. They would a decent case against Ms Geller for engaging in behavior which exposed them to unnecessary danger.

    Flip the situation. Say that a bunch of Muslims organized protests outside of a synagogue to say that the holocaust didn't happen and that Israel should be removed from the face of the earth. Now say that some of the people inside the synagogue attacked the protesters. Would the attackers be in the wrong? Certainly. Are the protesters within their legal rights. Certainly. Do the protesters have some responsibility for creating the situation? Of course.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you seriously arguing that women dress nice to taunt rapists?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Correct.

    Geller did not break any laws. But you don't have to break laws to be a terrible person..
    you don't have to be a super nice person to expect not to be targeted for death over your opinions/expressions

    I don't agree with her or her positions... but i'll defend her right to voice/express them without fear of violent sanction by govt ....or by another private party.

    ...just as I defend your right to express your position regarding her here.
    if she chose to smack you around over the things you say about her... I wouldn't judge you to be 100% in the wrong... but seemingly, you would.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Are you seriously arguing that women dress nice to taunt rapists?
    Geez, man!! It was a Muslim cleric saying that if women don't dress properly they deserve to be raped. If you don't take the time to look at the link you shouldn't bother responding to it.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Sidenote: This post is a great example of why the GOP isn't going to have a successful presidential candidate for many years.

    Rally 1: People gathering to express pride in who they are, and to show the public at large which didn't accept them that they do in fact exist.
    Rally 2: People gathering for the sole purpose of performing acts designed to anger another group.

    And you can't tell the difference.
    What does any of this have to do with Republicans?

    But yes, I can tell the difference. It seems however, that you can not admit that you can too.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, she was 'deliberately antagonizing' some Muslims but why not? We 'deliberately antagonize' Republicans, Democrats, abortion people and pro-life, Christians and Atheists and so it goes. If you want to remove Muslims from the list of groups who cannot be 'antagonized' you should be prepared for groups to be added to that list some time in the future. Or will your list of those who should not be offended only include Muslims?
    I'm not giving muslims any special treatment. I'd condemn any speech geared only towards pissing someone else off.

    I can also defend your legal right to do hate speech, without absolving you from blame for the consequences.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    What message were they trying to communicate by having an entire conference dedicated to drawing the prophet Mohamed?
    Perhaps that unlike europe, in the US we wont be intimidated by medieval thugs?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Geez, man!! It was a Muslim cleric saying that if women don't dress properly they deserve to be raped. If you don't take the time to look at the link you shouldn't bother responding to it.
    Why would I agree with a muslim cleric?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I'll not pretend that she's blameless in the shootings.
    How specifically is she to blame for the shootings?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Exactly.

    No one has stifled Ms. Geller's speech.

    She's carrying on a private war with Islamic extremists.

    (and why anyone would want to go to that level, is beyond me)
    Her and everyone there had their speech curtailed when two ISIS terrorists with guns and bombs decided to crash the party.

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