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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Insulting someone else for the sole purpose of provoking a retaliation that you can demonize isn't defending free speech. It's being human garbage while hiding behind the flag.
    Sounds like every LGBT rally ever.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    sounds to me like you are judging the retaliators on a basis of legality and the insitigators on a basis of morality....
    Correct.

    Geller did not break any laws. But you don't have to break laws to be a terrible person..

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    When you support speech you agree with you're not supporting free speech. You're simply supporting an idea you agree with. Though I’m confused as to why you would willingly give your full support to a hate filled bigot.

    Understand, No one is saying that the government should step in and prevent her from holding these events. No one. That's what it means to have free speech. It means that the government will not forcibly prevent you from speaking.

    But this does not mean that anyone else has to respect her, it does not mean that anyone else has to condone her hatred, and it does not mean that the rest of us are barred from saying that she's culpable.


    Please read that again.

    One you are saying no one should prevent her from staging these events, but then you rail at her "hatred" as though you know it's hatred.

    How is she "culpable"? How is she to blame [Meriting condemnation, censure or blame, etc] for exercising her right? Is it because YOU disagree with the content?

    That's your problem, she's exhibiting her "art" and you don't like the content, like the big row over the painting of two men kissing some years ago.

    Free speech is free speech, it's there for everyone, including your friends the terrorists.

    I guess in your "liberal" world, free speech is only available to those with a message that is not "culpable"

    Well, **** that. In this country everyone can say what they need to say without fear of people showing up with machne guns, and if they do, THEY are the ones in the wrong.

    We have come to the point that the same people issuing death threats over ****ing pizza now side with terrorists.
    "Small people talk about people, average people talk about events, great people talk about ideas" Eleanor Roosevelt

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Sounds like every LGBT rally ever.
    Sidenote: This post is a great example of why the GOP isn't going to have a successful presidential candidate for many years.

    Rally 1: People gathering to express pride in who they are, and to show the public at large which didn't accept them that they do in fact exist.
    Rally 2: People gathering for the sole purpose of performing acts designed to anger another group.

    And you can't tell the difference.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't expect her to discontinue her senseless inflammatory antics in the name of free speech that fools none of us, not even you. But I see in your bigoted hate, you'll use the free speech crutch as she is.
    he's well within his rights to use his free speech as a crutch... even if it is speech you don't like.

    just as you are free to use your speech to speak in opposition to his speech.

    all of us should defend the right to say what we will, as we will....especially the stuff we don't like to hear or that we disagree with.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    This is childish reasoning.

    Someone wearing a short skirt isn't wearing the short skirt to taunt a rapist. They're wearing it she wants to wear it. They aren't comparable.
    Actually it's spot on. http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgr...to-rape-woman/

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Insulting someone else for the sole purpose of provoking a retaliation that you can demonize isn't defending free speech. It's being human garbage while hiding behind the flag.
    Please show evidence that she deliberately provoked. that s a highly biased remark and there is no evidence to back it up and is in NO WAY a defense.

    If so, Rosa Parks should have been shot.

    The United States was founded on the principle of freedoms, the first ever country to do so. It has a history like no other through upheaval leading to reform.

    By your standards every ****ing peace demonstrator could have been shot with the glowing pride of today's left. She is making a dramatgic statement that you disagree with. And because of that you erode the sanctity and purpose of the concept.

    If I have to fear a reaction to my message, you have mob tyranny, that's what you're supporting.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Sorry, it doesn't end there. Your actions don't magically become morally justified because someone else’s aren't.

    Ask yourself this. Would there have been a gathering to draw the prophet if it wasn't highly offensive to Muslims? Obviously not. This isn't someone expressing an opinion. This is someone deliberately antagonizing someone else. Yes, those that retaliate are 100% wrong, but so are worthless people who attended and organized it.
    Yes, she was 'deliberately antagonizing' some Muslims but why not? We 'deliberately antagonize' Republicans, Democrats, abortion people and pro-life, Christians and Atheists and so it goes. If you want to remove Muslims from the list of groups who cannot be 'antagonized' you should be prepared for groups to be added to that list some time in the future. Or will your list of those who should not be offended only include Muslims?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't expect her to discontinue her senseless inflammatory antics in the name of free speech that fools none of us, not even you. But I see in your bigoted hate, you'll use the free speech crutch as she is.
    "I've seen no evidence of 'bigoted hate' from US Conservative. Do you have an example?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Complete and utter BULL. You don't get to claim to be a defender of free speech until you've defend the rights of someone else to speech you disagree with.

    The defenders of free speech are the Islamic clerics who defended her right to be a bigot. Geller is a deliberate antagonist that's justifying her hate under the guise of free speech.

    Yes, she has a constitutional right to say what she says. And the rest of us have a constitutional right to say that she's human garbage who's partially responsible for what happened.
    That's it exactly. And no one is going too threaten you, or attempt to murder you, for voicing this opinion.

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