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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Geller is an antagonist, provocateur and trouble maker. She isn't pressing any free speech issue. Hope she got what she was looking for this time.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    We're all Americans & all for free speech, but this is striking me more as antagonism, baiting, and hate - rather than a legitimate free-speech issue.

    What the hay is the point in getting in the mud with Muslim extremists?

    Even when you win, you've still lost.
    wait.. are you really trying to argue antongonism, baiting, and hate are not forms of legitmate free speech?... seriously?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Geller is an antagonist, provocateur and trouble maker. She isn't pressing any free speech issue. Hope she got what she was looking for this time.
    Shes a defender of free speech, the left used to claim to be until it was bound by PC and terrified by islamists.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2211913
    And she's not only not going to be intimidated-shes going to continue-which I expected her to do.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Speech is often intended to provoke and, as we can see with the case of Islamic religious freaks, does carry some risk.

    There are those who feel it's safer not to 'provoke' Muslims, which is really not expecting much of them, while others like myself feel that free speech trumps any possible hurt feelings they may have.

    No, they are not justified in anyway. No one should be shot at for expressing at opinion.. There always seems to be a "But" by those who are prepared to give away the right to free speech.
    Anyone who sets out to murder innocent people is 100% wrong, and that's where it ends.
    Sorry, it doesn't end there. Your actions don't magically become morally justified because someone else’s aren't.

    Ask yourself this. Would there have been a gathering to draw the prophet if it wasn't highly offensive to Muslims? Obviously not. This isn't someone expressing an opinion. This is someone deliberately antagonizing someone else. Yes, those that retaliate are 100% wrong, but so are worthless people who attended and organized it.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Shes a defender of free speech, the left used to claim to be until it was bound by PC and terrified by islamists.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2211913
    And she's not only not going to be intimidated-shes going to continue-which I expected her to do.
    I don't expect her to discontinue her senseless inflammatory antics in the name of free speech that fools none of us, not even you. But I see in your bigoted hate, you'll use the free speech crutch as she is.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Sorry, it doesn't end there. Your actions don't magically become morally justified because someone else’s aren't.

    Ask yourself this. Would there have been a gathering to draw the prophet if it wasn't highly offensive to Muslims? Obviously not. This isn't someone expressing an opinion. This is someone deliberately antagonizing someone else. Yes, those that retaliate are 100% wrong, but so are worthless people who attended and organized it.
    That's it bro, and the defenders know this.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Shes a defender of free speech, the left used to claim to be until it was bound by PC and terrified by islamists.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2211913
    And she's not only not going to be intimidated-shes going to continue-which I expected her to do.
    Complete and utter BULL. You don't get to claim to be a defender of free speech until you've defend the rights of someone else to speech you disagree with.

    The defenders of free speech are the Islamic clerics who defended her right to be a bigot. Geller is a deliberate antagonist that's justifying her hate under the guise of free speech.

    Yes, she has a constitutional right to say what she says. And the rest of us have a constitutional right to say that she's human garbage who's partially responsible for what happened.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    wait.. are you really trying to argue antongonism, baiting, and hate are not forms of legitmate free speech?... seriously?
    I don't see this as a constitutional free speech issue.

    First of all, there's no government involved.

    Secondly, this appears to be a private issue between a religious hate group and another seemingly religious group (who seems pretty intent on hating right back at them).

    But no, I don't see any 1st amendment bill-of-rights violations taking place here.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't expect her to discontinue her senseless inflammatory antics in the name of free speech that fools none of us, not even you. But I see in your bigoted hate, you'll use the free speech crutch as she is.
    You should be the first in line to defend speech you disagree with, but its crickets.

    Its telling, really. I support her fully in her struggle against radical islam and those who would silence free speech.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Complete and utter BULL. You don't get to claim to be a defender of free speech until you've defend the rights of someone else to speech you disagree with.

    The defenders of free speech are the Islamic clerics who defended her right to be a bigot. Geller is a deliberate antagonist that's justifying her hate under the guise of free speech.

    Yes, she has a constitutional right to say what she says. And the rest of us have a constitutional right to say that she's human garbage who's partially responsible for what happened.
    I defend the speech of those I disagree with all the time. Ive even contributed money.
    She's the one speaking, she's the one put in harms way-id say its her thats defending free speech.
    It sounds like you aren't a fan of what Geller says-and since you want to defend free speech (that you disagree with) you are no doubt leading the charge to defend her, no?

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