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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    The elephant in the room is our military interventions in the Middle East. We've never apologised for them properly or tried to make amends. Then idiots pile in with their childish expressions of freedom of speech against Islam and the whole thing becomes a powder keg.
    But our middle east interventions don't explain why Native born Muslims are becoming more fanatic. It wasn't a war on Islam it was a war on terror, a war which is still going on and is also being fought by other Islamic countries.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    |Points taken but the historic approach won't work with many Muslims, for the reasons I set out in my post. We are talking about a group of people with huge obstacles to integration. No doubt, this problem was not anticipated in the US - it certainly wasn't in the UK.

    I would say that, if nothing changes, you're heading for a showdown. The right of free speech isn't going to change and IMO doesn't need so much focus. It would be conciliatory for Muslims to hear from Americans that they don't consider that insulting the religion of American Muslims is a morally acceptable way to behave and that the organisers of this meeting were wrong to put it on. Let's hope Barack Obama says something conciliatory.
    I doubt we hear anything from Obama, as recognition of their demented cause would just embolden the radicals to do more crazy stuff in the future.

    I can't get behind this "blame the victim" mentality you're espousing. Do we blame a raped woman for being out alone at night or dressing provocatively? Of course not. So why should we blame the victims in this case?

    It's the perpetrators who were 100 percent at fault in this case. Deadly force is a vast overreaction to something as silly as a cartoon, and the criminals were rightly shot dead in order to protect the innocent.

    Giving their cause any sense of legitimacy would, in my opinion, be a mistake.

    If Muslims wanted to peacefully protest the cartoon event by picketing, raising public awareness, or arranging a boycott of some sort, you would have a point. However, when you storm the meeting with guns drawn, you and your cause lose legitimacy in the eyes of the public, and your likelihood of obtaining any conciliation decreases.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Considering that this so called voicing of an opinion was designed to create a reaction somewhere... then this is no different than the actual act committed. It is like shouting fire in a crowded theatre and people getting trampled to death.. you are still responsible for the trampling even though you have your "free speech" to shout fire.
    Tell us more about how those ladies should stop wearing those short skirts or we'll keep raping them.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Kobie, please read books. Islamic culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The fact that islamic terror is a problem wherever there are muslims should be a hint to you.
    "Please read books," he says, citing Wikipedia. Irony not lost.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I doubt we hear anything from Obama, as recognition of their demented cause would just embolden the radicals to do more crazy stuff in the future.

    I can't get behind this "blame the victim" mentality you're espousing. Do we blame a raped woman for being out alone at night or dressing provocatively? Of course not. So why should we blame the victims in this case?

    It's the perpetrators who were 100 percent at fault in this case. Deadly force is a vast overreaction to something as silly as a cartoon, and the criminals were rightly shot dead in order to protect the innocent.

    Giving their cause any sense of legitimacy would, in my opinion, be a mistake.

    If Muslims wanted to peacefully protest the cartoon event by picketing, raising public awareness, or arranging a boycott of some sort, you would have a point. However, when you storm the meeting with guns drawn, you and your cause lose legitimacy in the eyes of the public, and your likelihood of obtaining any conciliation decreases.
    Which isn't exactly what happened, not for lack of trying. The event was already over, and the incident occurred in the parking lot. But your overall point is not wrong.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    "A traffic officer working after-hours as security for the event and armed only with a service pistol killed both men, who were wearing body armor and carrying assault rifles, Garland Police Department spokesman Joe Harn told reporters Monday.". -CNN


    Now that is a badass Texan cop right there! Garland you rock.

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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Its supposed to be America.

    Those people shouldn't have to worry about the consequences of " pissing off a bunch of Muslims ".

    They SHOULD be able to express their 1st amendment rights without the fear that they'll be persecuted by those who disagree with them.

    The problem isn't the people who held the event, its the people who are Religiously and ideologically committed to killing all those who disagree with them.

    Its 2015 for Gods sake. Hard to believe we're even having this conversation.
    It's kinda a dick move to host such an event, but the only acceptable response would be a protest outside the event, maybe some lawsuits or whatever...

    Violence is not an acceptable response
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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Here is the ISIS reaction to the shooting:

    "Allahu Akbar!!!! 2 of our brothers just opened fire

    If there is no check on the freedom of your speech, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions."



    Anyone still want to blame the victims here?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Please read books," he says, citing Wikipedia. Irony not lost.
    Kobie, tell us more about how theres no such thing as Islamic culture.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Liberal bull****.

    No man shall live in threat of his life for declaring that which be believes. The only exceptions are the inevitable shouting fire in a theatre.

    FFS you people love to see Jesus depicted as a clown, gay, laughing on the cross, and Christians don't blow **** up, and if they did, you would have them hunted and killed. FFS, a girl in Indiana speculates about a pizza catered gay wedding and draws death threats, and not one liberal, from the President to whatever worm is running for the job had not one comment. They tacitly approved those death threats.

    Now, here you are tacitly approving and excusing mob violence to silence free speech.

    What we all love about "progressive" ethics is that they are as flexible as a snake
    OMFG. If Obama spent all his time apologizing to conservatives for whatever they're feeling aggrieved about this week, he'd never get anything else done.

    You really think him not saying anything about Memories Pizza is "tacitly approving"?

    Oh, and your "not one liberal" line is a total lie; plenty of liberals here, the ones you incessantly whine about, criticized the death threats in that case and others. And NOBODY has "tacitly approved" "mob violence to silence free speech." It's like you live on another planet.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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