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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Please don't go here.

    And take what I post at face value. This provocative event has ended, we're discussing it, and whether it's right or wrong or good of fair, the fact is that this extremist group attracted terrorists.
    Very weak.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    Only brave people who are defending their values to the death.
    There is nothing "brave" about intentionally pissing people off under the guise of "free speech."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There is nothing "brave" about intentionally pissing people off under the guise of "free speech."
    True. Also true for most public meetings on most public controversial issues.

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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's pretty clear that this event was intended to do one thing -- piss off Muslims. I'm familiar enough with Pam Geller's noxious brand of discourse to know that "free speech" is not her real priority. If she gave a dead dog's dick about the First Amendment, she wouldn't have been so vehemently opposed to the Park 51 mosque.
    Frankly her event reminds me of the Satanic Statue story recently, or the various Athiest "christmas" displays you always end up hearing about.

    Both sides like to CLAIM the primary intent is some kind of political message or some noble cause of "free speech". Both instances are basically full of ****. While I don't doubt it's part of the intent for both, the primary intent is simply to anger, piss off, mock, and thumb their nose at those they have an issue with...be it muslims or the religious in general or christians.

    Much like I often view many of those instances as extremely chlidish and juvenile, I see this particular one similarly. However, just like those others, they absolutely should have the right to do it with an expectation that they won't have ILLEGAL consequences ventured upon them for it.

    It is ENTIRELY unreasonable to expect to do an action like this and expect there to not be negative consequences.

    HOWEVER....

    While it's naive to think that illegal consequences can't happen, it's at least reasonable to assume that they shouldn't.

    Like so many instances where illegal violence occured....creating such a situation does not "invite" or "cause" violence or suggests the person "had it coming", but it absolutely is an action that increases ones *RISK* of having violence perpetrated against them. Pointing that out isn't being an "apologist" or "victim blaming" but is simply dispassionately dealing with reality.

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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    The whole point about freedom of speech is that you don't have to agree with it.

    And nothing or nobody is "bait for terrorists".
    I see it as the "Jesus in urine" depictions we've seen. The difference being no Christian will attack the art show with AKs and explosives.

    And yes, by using such 'free speech' you do open the door for those who would use violence to make a point.
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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Frankly her event reminds me of the Satanic Statue story recently, or the various Athiest "christmas" displays you always end up hearing about.

    Both sides like to CLAIM the primary intent is some kind of political message or some noble cause of "free speech". Both instances are basically full of ****. While I don't doubt it's part of the intent for both, the primary intent is simply to anger, piss off, mock, and thumb their nose at those they have an issue with...be it muslims or the religious in general or christians.

    Much like I often view many of those instances as extremely chlidish and juvenile, I see this particular one similarly. However, just like those others, they absolutely should have the right to do it with an expectation that they won't have ILLEGAL consequences ventured upon them for it.

    It is ENTIRELY unreasonable to expect to do an action like this and expect there to not be negative consequences.

    HOWEVER....

    While it's naive to think that illegal consequences can't happen, it's at least reasonable to assume that they shouldn't.

    Like so many instances where illegal violence occured....creating such a situation does not "invite" or "cause" violence or suggests the person "had it coming", but it absolutely is an action that increases ones *RISK* of having violence perpetrated against them. Pointing that out isn't being an "apologist" or "victim blaming" but is simply dispassionately dealing with reality.
    Agreed. Nobody should be in fear of speaking out, but it's naïve not to acknowledge that there is the possibility of risk.

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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Frankly her event reminds me of the Satanic Statue story recently, or the various Athiest "christmas" displays you always end up hearing about.

    Both sides like to CLAIM the primary intent is some kind of political message or some noble cause of "free speech". Both instances are basically full of ****. While I don't doubt it's part of the intent for both, the primary intent is simply to anger, piss off, mock, and thumb their nose at those they have an issue with...be it muslims or the religious in general or christians.

    Much like I often view many of those instances as extremely chlidish and juvenile, I see this particular one similarly. However, just like those others, they absolutely should have the right to do it with an expectation that they won't have ILLEGAL consequences ventured upon them for it.

    It is ENTIRELY unreasonable to expect to do an action like this and expect there to not be negative consequences.

    HOWEVER....

    While it's naive to think that illegal consequences can't happen, it's at least reasonable to assume that they shouldn't.

    Like so many instances where illegal violence occured....creating such a situation does not "invite" or "cause" violence or suggests the person "had it coming", but it absolutely is an action that increases ones *RISK* of having violence perpetrated against them. Pointing that out isn't being an "apologist" or "victim blaming" but is simply dispassionately dealing with reality.
    Agreed.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Agreed. Nobody should be in fear of speaking out, but it's naïve not to acknowledge that there is the possibility of risk.
    It is very naive to think that we are not all at risk from jihadi terrorists.

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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    So, will the G wish to ban 7.62x39 ammo now?

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    Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    It is very naive to think that we are not all at risk from jihadi terrorists.
    Define risk.

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