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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Speech has restrictions in America. I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
    Hah, so you ARE saying that it should be "restricted". Hilarious.

    And I seem to understand free speech much better than you do.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Hah, so you ARE saying that it should be "restricted". Hilarious.

    And I seem to understand free speech much better than you do.
    Is free speech restricted in Israel?

    I can't imagine a Geller-type being allowed to do in Israel what she did in Texas ?
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Is speech restricted in Israel?

    I can't imagine a Geller-type being allowed to do in Israel what she did in Texas ?
    Why not? Unless it's incitement to violence or incitement to racism it's completely legal to mock any religion or any other set of beliefs.

    One should never fear consequences for making fun of other peoples' ideas and beliefs, even when they are referred to as 'religion'.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Is free speech restricted in Israel?

    I can't imagine a Geller-type being allowed to do in Israel what she did in Texas ?
    Immaterial.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    The right to freedom of speech is, like all rights and freedoms, not unlimited and absolute. But it should be limited only by the most necessary and obviously reasonable restrictions, i.e. restrictions having to do with direct calls for violence or other serious crimes; libel and slander against individual persons; treason.

    That is the ideal. Obviously every country is different and many make choices according to their specific circumstances. But in principle, any infringement of freedom of speech, except for the above-mentioned logical limits, is to be deplored.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Why not? Unless it's incitement to violence or incitement to racism it's completely legal to mock any religion or any other set of beliefs.

    One should never fear consequences for making fun of other peoples' ideas and beliefs, even when they are referred to as 'religion'.
    I'm not willing to sacrifice one American for the right of any Gellers to do what she is doing while we are at war with terrorists.

    You know better than I that Geller could have provoked a mass murder by terrorists.

    You also know better than I Geller has radicalized home-grown terrorists, something that must be avoided .
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'm not willing to sacrifice one American for the right of any Gellers to do what she is doing while we are at war with terrorists.

    You know better than I that Geller could have provoked a mass murder by terrorists.

    You also know better than I Geller has radicalized home-grown terrorists, something that must be avoided .
    So basically you argue that jihadi terrorist should dictate what freedoms Americans should have and what not.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'm not willing to sacrifice one American for the right of any Gellers to do what she is doing while we are at war with terrorists.

    You know better than I that Geller could have provoked a mass murder by terrorists.

    You also know better than I Geller has radicalized home-grown terrorists, something that must be avoided .
    If you'd swap Islamic terrorists with Christian terrorists, would it make sense to you?
    Would it make sense to simply outlaw the mockery of Jesus if you knew that it often gets radical Christians up in arms? So no comedian could make jokes about Jesus and the cross and Mary the virgin and whatnot without fearing a radical Christian launching an armed assault on his comedy club?
    What about Scientology? Judaism? Buddhism?

    Sometimes people will be attacked for practicing their freedoms, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to practice them, it simply means that more should be done to prevent these attacks from happening. I myself find Geller's actions to be repulsive since I believe she's doing it with an obvious intention to provoke radical Islamists and I find it highly unnecessary, but it's entirely her freedom to do so and it should remain this way because once we as a society decide to forbid people from doing something that offends one group of people because they reply by armed assaults then what stops other people with radical views from doing the same to create a similar situation when no one mocks their views too?

    I completely understand your position and your willingness to see these attacks stop, but giving in to the threatening party's demands isn't going to make them stop, it would merely let them know that what they're doing is working and encourage them to do it more often.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    If DP can operate a policy of Don't Be A Jerk successfully, without any infringement of our ability to say what we want, why can't Geller?
    We have seen many times how through the alchemy of liberal-speak simple criticism of Obama's policies is called "racism" and any criticism of radical Muslims and the imposition of sharia law is called "hate speech". So it is with Geller. By your lights she can't say anything at all no matter how valid it might be. In Garland she was standing up for the right to free speech in support of others like the editors of Charlie Hebdo, and yet you call it hateful. That's why we can't let people like you tell us what is and is not valid speech.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    We have seen many times how through the alchemy of liberal-speak simple criticism of Obama's policies is called "racism" and any criticism of radical Muslims and the imposition of sharia law is called "hate speech". So it is with Geller. By your lights she can't say anything at all no matter how valid it might be.
    When she does say something valid, I'll take a view.

    In Garland she was standing up for the right to free speech in support of others like the editors of Charlie Hebdo, and yet you call it hateful. That's why we can't let people like you tell us what is and is not valid speech.
    What she was doing in Garland was looking to provoke a response that would justify her prejudices and, given that the people she was provoking are even more brain-dead and fanatically prejudiced than she is, she got it. Bravo! Of course to her, the fact that the method she used to provoke was also deeply insulting to the vast majority of peaceful, law-abiding Moslems doesn't bother her in the slightest, and that's because she hates peaceful, law-abiding Moslems as much as she hates the violent extremist ones. See it's not about a hatred of violence and extremism for her, it's about a hatred of Islam.
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