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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    Actually no. I recommend you take some classes on verbal reasoning.
    Maybe you should learn English.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    The problem in this case is both. Vigilante violence by Islamic extremists is a problem no-one is disputing.

    On freedom of speech, it's a right but not an absolute one. No right is absolute. So when the exercise of your freedom of speech foreseeably provokes violence from people who then put my life at risk, then my life comes first and your freedom of speech comes second. If only we lived in a better world without violent people who don't react to provocation. But we don't. So till we do, I'd like you to take it upon yourself to consider the impact that your freedom of speech could have, in advance of exercising it.

    Think of freedom of speech like a fast car. If you look after it responsibly and drive safely, then it will go on for years and give you and others a lot of enjoyment. But if you drive it like a madman and run it into the ground, then you can expect your freedom to drive fast cars to be curtailed by your irresponsibility. Freedom of speech is to be cherished - groups like these people in Garland in fact treat it with contempt and risk its future for all of us.
    What you are proposing is analogous to banning short skirts because there are rapists out there. Or freedom of religion because of the existence of cults.
    No action by the citizens at this even deserve even a cursory glance-they didn't do anything wrong.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    The problem in this case is both. Vigilante violence by Islamic extremists is a problem no-one is disputing.

    On freedom of speech, it's a right but not an absolute one. No right is absolute. So when the exercise of your freedom of speech foreseeably provokes violence from people who then put my life at risk, then my life comes first and your freedom of speech comes second. If only we lived in a better world without violent people who don't react to provocation. But we don't. So till we do, I'd like you to take it upon yourself to consider the impact that your freedom of speech could have, in advance of exercising it.

    Think of freedom of speech like a fast car. If you look after it responsibly and drive safely, then it will go on for years and give you and others a lot of enjoyment. But if you drive it like a madman and run it into the ground, then you can expect your freedom to drive fast cars to be curtailed by your irresponsibility. Freedom of speech is to be cherished - groups like these people in Garland in fact treat it with contempt and risk its future for all of us.
    Jihadi terrorists find it provocative that we don't all follow and obey sharia law. So your solution is that we stop provoking them by submitting?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Jihadi terrorists find it provocative that we don't all follow and obey sharia law. So your solution is that we stop provoking them by submitting?
    No. Talking of provocation, you believe that the action of an anti-Muslim group which puts on a public event where participants draw pictures of Mohammed is provocative?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What you are proposing is analogous to banning short skirts because there are rapists out there. Or freedom of religion because of the existence of cults.
    No action by the citizens at this even deserve even a cursory glance-they didn't do anything wrong.
    I disagree - they deliberately offended and provoked the entire Muslim world, and they knew it.

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    No. Talking of provocation, you believe that the action of an anti-Muslim group which puts on a public event where participants draw pictures of Mohammed is provocative?
    I believe it is their perfect right to do so. Do you believe stand-up comedians are "provocative"?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    I disagree - they deliberately offended and provoked the entire Muslim world, and they knew it.
    So you feel that people who offend other people should be fair game?

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You're more than welcomed to conduct your own experiment on such social behaviors and tell a woman who just got raped that the skirt she was wearing was too short and that's what motivated the rapist to rape her. See what reaction you get for that.
    Its simple, outlaw skirts and the rape stops. See how insightful this is!

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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    I disagree - they deliberately offended and provoked the entire Muslim world, and they knew it.
    Nah, they didn't provoke and offend the entire Muslim World. Both parties are moronic extremists. A reasonable person recognises that.
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    Re: Shooting at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    You seem to be suggesting that such events in Europe should now require armed vigilantes, instead of regular police. If there are security threats, I think we should leave it to the police to handle them, and of course the organisers should pay for the privilege.
    There's been a lot of misreading of my words recently - the police were in evidence in Texas. They prior organisation planned them to be there. In my post, I spoke of lessons for our security when such free-speech events are going to take place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-scot View Post
    Of course a more sensible route would be to consult Muslim groups and even ask them to contribute to such event so that offence can be minimised and positive relations between different groups can be strengthened. If the group in Texas had made this kind of effort, then this incident would probably have been avoided. Unfortunately, they think Muslims are bad people and deserve a good kicking.
    Teheran has been holding an annual "caricature the Christ" and "holocaust denial" competition for several years with a similar price on the winning ticket drawing a hateful caricature of Jesus or the best denial of the holocaust. The best cartoons will be exhibited at the "Palestine Museum of Contemporary Art in Tehran"

    Do you think Iran or the sponsors of the event in Teheran have consulted Christians to minimise offence? Do you think Iran or the sponsors of the event in Teheran have consulted Jews and Holocaust survivors to minimise offence?

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