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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    Standards should not be lowered to accommodate based on gender. If one can accept a lower standard, then it should apply to all, regardless of gender.

    As far as pay. 90K maybe but that is not an average.

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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Sorry, this is liberal bs.

    You are tapdancing looking through whats the bigger issue-an unqualified candidate is benefiting despite her qualifications. I dont know why reality flies out the window when is a person of "protected" status, ie everyone but white men.

    The fire department is a meritocracy (at least out of the politics, which is a factor here as well)-its not about if men or women should be able to be firefighters and therefore any man or woman should get a job. Its not symbolism.
    Errmmmm....what? Considering track record I get the feeling you saw "liberal," and just made up in your mind what I said. Especially considering I didn't think she should pass if she can't pass the FST, but also that it doesn't mean women CAN'T do the job, considering (according to the article) two others did really well in the classroom and on the FST.

    Unless you are talking about the last paragraph, in which case I still fail to see the issue. There is an issue having one easier physical test to get into the academy, and another more demanding one to graduate from the academy. Why waste spots and time/resources on people you have no idea will pass the more demanding test? It makes way more sense to do the test as a REQUIREMENT to get into the academy. At least you know they can handle the physical side.

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    Try reading that again, or what I posted above, because you wellllllll missed what I was saying.
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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    umm those two are not even remotely similar.
    one the city has knowingly put someone in danger by having someone that cannot perform the needed requirements vs something made up by people.
    The point is the soldiers certainly had standing. They were being killed by obozo's policy!!!! But the judges know they can't let the obozo eligibility get into a courtroom. The evidence against him is just too strong.

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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont think I would hold women accountable for genetics they can't account for.
    Some women do have the ability. They should be hired if they are able. That said, those who are not able should not be.


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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    The point is the soldiers certainly had standing. They were being killed by obozo's policy!!!! But the judges know they can't let the obozo eligibility get into a courtroom. The evidence against him is just too strong.
    And now this fail of a thread has gone completely off the sanity reservation.


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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    Quote Originally Posted by coyotedelmar View Post
    Errmmmm....what? Considering track record I get the feeling you saw "liberal," and just made up in your mind what I said. Especially considering I didn't think she should pass if she can't pass the FST, but also that it doesn't mean women CAN'T do the job, considering (according to the article) two others did really well in the classroom and on the FST.

    Unless you are talking about the last paragraph, in which case I still fail to see the issue. There is an issue having one easier physical test to get into the academy, and another more demanding one to graduate from the academy. Why waste spots and time/resources on people you have no idea will pass the more demanding test? It makes way more sense to do the test as a REQUIREMENT to get into the academy. At least you know they can handle the physical side.



    Try reading that again, or what I posted above, because you wellllllll missed what I was saying.
    I understand the utility of screening tests, and yes, you said you were against lower qualified candidates getting the job based on minority status-but the idea that is should be the reverse is indeed lefty bs.

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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Some women do have the ability. They should be hired if they are able. That said, those who are not able should not be.
    We keep hearing this, but reality in the military, fire department, and police show its much less common-and that therefore the results (few women) are somehow a problem in an of themselves-enough even to lower standards to achieve the desired outcome.

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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    In the wildland fire community the standards for basic firefighter is the same regardless of gender.
    Hotshot crew members have a higher standard but make no exception to gender
    Smokejumpers have higher standards , but are the same regardless of gender.

    Through the years tasks (work expected to be done) and the fitness level required to carry out the task were developed. The task does not care about gender, race, religion, etc.

    Lowering standards can create resentment among firefighters. One could ask if person A (female) gets a pass on something , then why not Person B (male).

    There are more minorities and women in fire today than 30 years ago. There will most likely be more in the future as women decide they would like a career in fire. Ones I talked to before I retired wanted no special breaks or favors. They just wanted the opportunity. They realized it will take time to build the experience and training to someday be in top fire management positions.

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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    Sorry ladies but everybody is sick of your conspiracy theory that men won't let you have jobs like firefighter. Fact is you don't have the ability for many jobs and that is your fault.
    What a load of crap.

    Speak for yourself...this man definitely does not feel as you do.
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    Re: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What a load of crap.

    Speak for yourself...this man definitely does not feel as you do.
    Do you believe there should be different standards for firefighters based on gender?
    If a male can do what the women in the OP can do, should he also be allowed to be hired?

    I don't particular agree with TDK post. The fact remains that not all men or women can pass the standards for firefighters. One should not make exceptions. A person can either meet the standards or they cannot.

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