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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You have basically zero credibility pretending you hate big government if you support it sticking its nose into a women's uterus.
    All "small government" types must be anarchists opposed to all laws against killing because you say so?

    Yeah, okay.

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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You might start by recognizing that your beliefs don't get special privilege and don't get to be enshrined in the law over anyone else's. You want to make laws? Then you need facts and not beliefs.
    You need to take your own advice. DC is a district with the House running the show since the very first of our nation. It is enshrined by law and constitution. The reasons are provided by the founders themselves, and they are very good reasons. I suggest you read a little of our history and acquaint yourself.

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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    I have no idea what Congress 'struck down'.

    I am waiting for Congress to strike down Congress.
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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You need to take your own advice. DC is a district with the House running the show since the very first of our nation. It is enshrined by law and constitution. The reasons are provided by the founders themselves, and they are very good reasons. I suggest you read a little of our history and acquaint yourself.
    They are actually crap reasons. They were predicated on a much smaller congress that would get along a lot more, and that they would all be living in the district. Neither of those are true. The notion of congress getting together and turning DC into a playground for themselves is nonsense. That would never happen, and hasn't been a feasible reality since perhaps the 1830s. The country is just too big and there's too many people with too many differing ideas to agree on anything like that. Plus... they almost all don't live in the district. They live in nice Maryland or Virginia suburbs. DC is instead populated by regular working people, often not even the high powered lawyers, lobbyists, and political actors - they mainly live in those suburbs, too.

    The fears about DC being subject to government collusion may have been a reasonable fear in 1789, but in 2015 it's completely absurd. It's not some kind of "government home team" place. It's a company town, and for some reason, working for the federal government is somehow viewed as reason for stripping people of basic rights. It's nonsense.

    Keep your federal district. It can span a city block or two. Six hundred thousand people (larger than the populations of two states) don't need to not have their own state. There's nothing gained by that.
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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You have basically zero credibility pretending you hate big government if you support it sticking its nose into a women's uterus.


    The far right evangelicals would like to get the U.S. government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom, controlling every American's private life.

    Not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.




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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    With policy like this, it is clear they are unfit to do so.



    Human rights are more important than your individual belief. Human rights should not be put to a vote.
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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    So, in your view every reservation, every bit of federal land, should be granted statehood. You do realize it would take a constitutional amendment to achieve that, right?

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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    They are actually crap reasons. They were predicated on a much smaller congress that would get along a lot more, and that they would all be living in the district. Neither of those are true. The notion of congress getting together and turning DC into a playground for themselves is nonsense. That would never happen, and hasn't been a feasible reality since perhaps the 1830s. The country is just too big and there's too many people with too many differing ideas to agree on anything like that. Plus... they almost all don't live in the district. They live in nice Maryland or Virginia suburbs. DC is instead populated by regular working people, often not even the high powered lawyers, lobbyists, and political actors - they mainly live in those suburbs, too.

    The fears about DC being subject to government collusion may have been a reasonable fear in 1789, but in 2015 it's completely absurd. It's not some kind of "government home team" place. It's a company town, and for some reason, working for the federal government is somehow viewed as reason for stripping people of basic rights. It's nonsense.

    Keep your federal district. It can span a city block or two. Six hundred thousand people (larger than the populations of two states) don't need to not have their own state. There's nothing gained by that.

    Thank you for you peevish, hand-waving argument about "crap reasons"--it shows the same quality we've come to expect from your arguments. Now all you have to do is get the Constitution amended to nullify the first part of Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 17:

    "[The Congress shall have power] to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district . . . as may . . . become the seat of government of the United States . . . ."


    Or maybe, like Mr. Obama, you think that whenever any part of the Constitution presents an obstacle to a statist pipe dream, that part should just be ignored.

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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Thank you for you peevish, hand-waving argument about "crap reasons"--it shows the same quality we've come to expect from your arguments. Now all you have to do is get the Constitution amended to nullify the first part of Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 17:

    "[The Congress shall have power] to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district . . . as may . . . become the seat of government of the United States . . . ."

    Or maybe, like Mr. Obama, you think that whenever any part of the Constitution presents an obstacle to a statist pipe dream, that part should just be ignored.
    No, no alteration of the constitution is necessary. Only shrinking the size of the federal district and making a new state out of the remaining area. The white house, supreme court building, and capitol building can still be federal district land. Everything else belongs to the new state, which will then have the same autonomy and rights as every other state.

    Seriously, do you have any other objection besides "the founders"? Everything they intended or wrote in the constitution was perfect, right? Like slavery and only men being able to vote. What's the possible reason to oppose these people having the full representation and rights of the American citizens that they are?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, in your view every reservation, every bit of federal land, should be granted statehood. You do realize it would take a constitutional amendment to achieve that, right?
    It would. Which is why that's not my view. My view is that THIS bit of federal land, which has a higher population than two states, be a new state. No amendment required. Just shrink the federal district and make a new state out of the remainder. And no, the people of DC don't want to be part of Maryland or Virginia. That's no more acceptable than ripping off any part of any other state to give it to another.

    Stop relying on mischaracterizing people's arguments in order to oppose them. Deal with what I'm actually saying, instead of pretending I'm saying something else.
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    Re: House votes to strike down D.C. law banning reproductive discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I would not want to employ someone known to have killed other human beings in cold blood. No rational employer would unless their business model somehow required selfish and savagely destructive employees.
    What a moronic and ignorant thing to say. Considering the number of women who have had abortions and are employed, it is clear that rational employers do not share your extremist idiotic views.
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