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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Do you know the difference between jail and prison?
    Did you read the article or my response in post #4?
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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Quote Originally Posted by SDET View Post
    I'm leaning to your point of view on this topic. However, don't forget that most people in JAIL as opposed to prison haven't been convicted of anything.
    That's true but evidently in California, some cities and counties have detention facilities for those convicted of various felonies.

    California has a large number of diverse—and aging—county jail facilities.
    California’s counties operate several types of jails, including court holding facilities, temporary holding facilities, and long-term facilities. All counties except Alpine operate at least one long-term facility, for a total of 123 facilities across the state. Almost half were built before 1980.
    I'm just using the word, "jail", as it is understood in California - for those who wish to quibble over the definition of jail vs. prison
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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    That's true but evidently in California, some cities and counties have detention facilities for those convicted of various felonies.



    I'm just using the word, "jail", as it is understood in California - for those who wish to quibble over the definition of jail vs. prison
    It's not quibbling. Prison is a penal institution. Jail SHOULD NOT be a penal institution. Jail's stated purpose is a remedy for flight risk or to protect society from allegedly dangerous people. It's a serious problem that jails don't presume their detainees as innocent.

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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Quote Originally Posted by SDET View Post
    It's not quibbling. Prison is a penal institution. Jail SHOULD NOT be a penal institution. Jail's stated purpose is a remedy for flight risk or to protect society from allegedly dangerous people. It's a serious problem that jails don't presume their detainees as innocent.
    Jails are penal institutions in California. Commonly accepted words may often have different understandings in different groups.

    GB Shaw said it well, many years ago, "‘England and America are two countries separated by the same language’" as did Oscar Wilde even further back (1887), "We have really everything in common with America nowadays except, of course, language" The same is true within America owing to its size, where people may seldom interact with those from other regions of the country.
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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nope, that is what I call the "just us" system where special criminals get special treatment. One can hardly expect to balance a city budget by charging a handful of (268) prisoners a whopping $70K (combined) per year.
    But the issue here is not the small number affected initially, but what happens as this takes off and becomes the norm - like the growth in for-profit prisons, or the way the monitoring & confiscation of property & cash and the suspension of civil rights, initially would only affect 'the very small number of big-time drug-dealers'.

    Whenever something 'wrong' is allowed to assist in making something 'right', we are on the wrong track. Do you doubt this will be 'privatized' through corporate 'sweetheart deals (if not already), and then those same corps will use their capital wealth gained to further bribe (legally or otherwise) the legislatures to enact more legislation & regulation benefiting themselves (the public be damned).

    Quote Originally Posted by SDET View Post
    I'm leaning to your point of view on this topic. However, don't forget that most people in JAIL as opposed to prison haven't been convicted of anything.
    Exactly!

    Jails have a high percentages of people in the system who have not (yet, or perhaps never will) be convicted. To see the absurdity of this new scam (and I'd also claim it's unconstitutionality), reference my above paragraph concerning the war-on-drugs as it relates to simple things like the summary confiscation of your legally-earned cash by greedy local law enforcement, along with the loss of your constitutional rights as said law enforcement brings their trained dog (or claims verbal statement from some supposed mystery unseen 'confidential informant') to circumvent your rights to 'unreasonable search, seizure, & due process' .

    This is the financial purchase of freedoms (no matter how small), and strikes me as a very bad precedent.

    Edit: Just saw the discussion on 'penal institution' occurring while I was composing my post , and I really don't want to add further to the debate on semantics - but, my county institution I referenced is both penal and holding, therefore the content of my post reflects this.
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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Isn't this special? If you have the money you don't have to stay with those 'others' even when you have killed a person.

    Called “pay-to-stay,” the cells can be found in Seal Beach, Anaheim, Arcadia, Burbank, Glendale, Huntington Beach, Pasadena, Santa Ana and Torrance, at nightly rates of $127 to $143. In some cities, the non-violent offender’s cell doors are not locked, and the prisoners are free to come and go to their jobs on a daily basis.

    Now that's what you call "equal justice"
    This is only a step away from being able to hire substitutes.
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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Isn't this special? If you have the money you don't have to stay with those 'others' even when you have killed a person.

    Called “pay-to-stay,” the cells can be found in Seal Beach, Anaheim, Arcadia, Burbank, Glendale, Huntington Beach, Pasadena, Santa Ana and Torrance, at nightly rates of $127 to $143. In some cities, the non-violent offender’s cell doors are not locked, and the prisoners are free to come and go to their jobs on a daily basis.

    Now that's what you call "equal justice"
    This seems to violate the intent of the 14th Amendment. One Law for All.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Personally I think that convicted criminals who are incarcerated should always be made to pay for their room and board.

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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Personally I think that convicted criminals who are incarcerated should always be made to pay for their room and board.
    1) How?

    2) And if they refuse?
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    Re: Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    1) How?

    2) And if they refuse?
    Their assets can be seized and/or they can be made to work for their room and board.

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