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    City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers « CBS Baltimore

    City State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby says Freddie Gray received his critical injuries in Baltimore police custody and has charged all six officers involved in his death.

    The state medical examiner’s office turned over Gray’s autopsy on Friday morning, a day after the police turned over their investigation into Gray’s death
    The medical examiner ruled it was homicide.

    Also, there are charges of negligent homicide, abuse of authority, etc.

    It was an unlawful arrest, they claim, and their negligence concerning his safety when riding in the police van resulted in his death. They didn't put him in a seat belt, and he apparently fell in the van and broke his neck.

    The charges seem appropriate.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

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    The medical examiner ruled it was homicide.

    Also, there are charges of negligent homicide, abuse of authority, etc.

    It was an unlawful arrest, they claim, and their negligence concerning his safety when riding in the police van resulted in his death. They didn't put him in a seat belt, and he apparently fell in the van and broke his neck.

    The charges seem appropriate.
    It all needs to be proven in a court of law. But it turns out that the inmate who had claimed Gray was trying to hurt himself didn't say that either, he claims his statement has been taken out of context. Plus apparently it is obligatory protocol to seatbelt in a suspect in the van, which wasn't done at all. Had he been seatbelted in, none of this would have happened (at least if what we know is true in full).

    It's about time that we start holding the police responsible for their actions and to exert some control against government force.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Is there anyone that disputes that officers are responsible for the health and well-being of their prisoners? My Nephew was an MP and he said that when prisoners were tuned over to him in Iraq and Afghanistan that he was charged with their safety. There were often soldiers that wanted to kill his prisoners but that it was his responsibility to ensure the safety of his prisoners and failure to do so would have severe consequences.

    Do we really treat enemy combatants with more respect than our own citizens?
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's about time that we start holding the police responsible for their actions and to exert some control against government force.
    Actually, we've been doing that all along. Many police have been charged and convicted for crimes they comitted in their duties, including murder and homicide.

    The problem that we've seen multiple times now is when activists lie and make up claims about police misconduct. It's hard to prosecute a case that's based on lies, and then the people all get upset and tear up their neighborhoods because they think it's an injustice not to prosecute cops who have been falsely charged.

    Lean on the police too hard and they will stop policing these neighborhoods. Crime started falling in New York City when David Dinkins started supporting the police and hiring more of them. This process accelerated under Giuiliani and continued with Bloomberg. It will be interesting to see what will happen now that a cop hating mayor has taken over.

    Oh, here we go: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2134509
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It all needs to be proven in a court of law. But it turns out that the inmate who had claimed Gray was trying to hurt himself didn't say that either, he claims his statement has been taken out of context. Plus apparently it is obligatory protocol to seatbelt in a suspect in the van, which wasn't done at all. Had he been seatbelted in, none of this would have happened (at least if what we know is true in full).

    It's about time that we start holding the police responsible for their actions and to exert some control against government force.
    Your first part is why people should always wait for official word instead of reports from "sources". Happened in Ferguson(remember the fractured bane in the police officer's face?), happened here. The media, in it's desire to make sensational headlines, report rumors now instead of substantiated facts.

    As for the second, I would argue that this is an example that for the most part, we do hold police responsible for their actions. The far and away vast majority of the time, the police act right and benefit the communities they are in. It just never makes the news when they do. Police forces do have internal affairs departments, do investigate their own, and are prosecuted for crimes. The system, while not perfect and while it could be improved, is still pretty damn good.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Is there anyone that disputes that officers are responsible for the health and well-being of their prisoners? My Nephew was an MP and he said that when prisoners were tuned over to him in Iraq and Afghanistan that he was charged with their safety. There were often soldiers that wanted to kill his prisoners but that it was his responsibility to ensure the safety of his prisoners and failure to do so would have severe consequences.

    Do we really treat enemy combatants with more respect than our own citizens?
    No. These cops broke the law and the rules set up to protect prisoners, so they are being charged with crimes.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Wow!

    This is big.

    I was initially shock upon this announcement, since it so rare for the police to be held criminally accountable, but now am ebullient because I believe we may have finally turned the corner on the lack of police accountability and the eroding of our civil rights with the prosecution of cases like this & the Slager-Scott murder in South Carolina.

    Hopefully this long painful slide of our eroding rights and police criminal immunity has hit a bottom - I do sense a change in the air.

    The police have a difficult job, and it just got tougher and I feel for them, realizing a lot of their problems are cultural & structural

    But no one should be above the law - a criminal act is a criminal act. And no one should violate our constitutional rights, including that of due process. ESPECIALLY our civil servants sworn to uphold the law!

    And I would hope that our good brethren peace officers realize that when they turn their back on the crimes of their fellow officers in their deeds & documentation, that they too will be held liable including criminally, and they act accordingly by doing the right thing in breaking the code of blue silence. They may not have much choice anymore (hopefully), and that's a good thing. At the least they will be forced to think through their actions & inactions.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Actually, we've been doing that all along. Many police have been charged and convicted for crimes they comitted in their duties, including murder and homicide.
    Numbers are small, those convited are even lower.
    The problem that we've seen multiple times now is when activists lie and make up claims about police misconduct. It's hard to prosecute a case that's based on lies, and then the people all get upset and tear up their neighborhoods because they think it's an injustice not to prosecute cops who have been falsely charged.
    No, the problem is not laid at one sides feet. The Police in various jurisdictions have been found to be violating the lwas on a regular basis. Why else were they investigated by DOJ?


    Lean on the police too hard and they will stop policing these neighborhoods. Crime started falling in New York City when David Dinkins started supporting the police and hiring more of them. This process accelerated under Giuiliani and continued with Bloomberg. It will be interesting to see what will happen now that a cop hating mayor has taken over.
    So stop accountability for Police misconduct?
    Crime across the country has dropped has it not?
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Based on the charges and the attorney's description of events, I suspect the majority of the charges will be dropped..

    Also interesting to note that the attorney references "no justice, no peace". Sounds almost like she stated I made these charges because of the riots.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Lean on the police too hard and they will stop policing these neighborhoods [...]
    Wha???

    Do we work for them? Or do they work for us?

    This attitude is exactly the problem!

    If our current civil servants will not do their job, do what Reagan did when PATCO pulled the same stunt - fire them & hire someone willing to do the job!

    Around here officers are making six figures after 4-5 years on the job, with benefits that our phenomenal compared to the average working Joe, and pensions that most of us can only dream about.

    I'm sure that over time NYC could find some good new recruits that want to do their job and do it well, IF the power from the top is willing to lean on them & make it clear the same-old same-old is over. Just like PATCO!

    The culture you describe has to be broken. (and hopefully we're seeing the beginning)
    Last edited by Chomsky; 05-01-15 at 11:48 AM. Reason: incl quote

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