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City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

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City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers « CBS Baltimore

City State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby says Freddie Gray received his critical injuries in Baltimore police custody and has charged all six officers involved in his death.

The state medical examiner’s office turned over Gray’s autopsy on Friday morning, a day after the police turned over their investigation into Gray’s death

The medical examiner ruled it was homicide.

Also, there are charges of negligent homicide, abuse of authority, etc.

It was an unlawful arrest, they claim, and their negligence concerning his safety when riding in the police van resulted in his death. They didn't put him in a seat belt, and he apparently fell in the van and broke his neck.

The charges seem appropriate.
 
City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers « CBS Baltimore



The medical examiner ruled it was homicide.

Also, there are charges of negligent homicide, abuse of authority, etc.

It was an unlawful arrest, they claim, and their negligence concerning his safety when riding in the police van resulted in his death. They didn't put him in a seat belt, and he apparently fell in the van and broke his neck.

The charges seem appropriate.

It all needs to be proven in a court of law. But it turns out that the inmate who had claimed Gray was trying to hurt himself didn't say that either, he claims his statement has been taken out of context. Plus apparently it is obligatory protocol to seatbelt in a suspect in the van, which wasn't done at all. Had he been seatbelted in, none of this would have happened (at least if what we know is true in full).

It's about time that we start holding the police responsible for their actions and to exert some control against government force.
 
Is there anyone that disputes that officers are responsible for the health and well-being of their prisoners? My Nephew was an MP and he said that when prisoners were tuned over to him in Iraq and Afghanistan that he was charged with their safety. There were often soldiers that wanted to kill his prisoners but that it was his responsibility to ensure the safety of his prisoners and failure to do so would have severe consequences.

Do we really treat enemy combatants with more respect than our own citizens?
 
It's about time that we start holding the police responsible for their actions and to exert some control against government force.

Actually, we've been doing that all along. Many police have been charged and convicted for crimes they comitted in their duties, including murder and homicide.

The problem that we've seen multiple times now is when activists lie and make up claims about police misconduct. It's hard to prosecute a case that's based on lies, and then the people all get upset and tear up their neighborhoods because they think it's an injustice not to prosecute cops who have been falsely charged.

Lean on the police too hard and they will stop policing these neighborhoods. Crime started falling in New York City when David Dinkins started supporting the police and hiring more of them. This process accelerated under Giuiliani and continued with Bloomberg. It will be interesting to see what will happen now that a cop hating mayor has taken over.

Oh, here we go: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ear-to-year-comparison-nypd-article-1.2134509
 
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It all needs to be proven in a court of law. But it turns out that the inmate who had claimed Gray was trying to hurt himself didn't say that either, he claims his statement has been taken out of context. Plus apparently it is obligatory protocol to seatbelt in a suspect in the van, which wasn't done at all. Had he been seatbelted in, none of this would have happened (at least if what we know is true in full).

It's about time that we start holding the police responsible for their actions and to exert some control against government force.

Your first part is why people should always wait for official word instead of reports from "sources". Happened in Ferguson(remember the fractured bane in the police officer's face?), happened here. The media, in it's desire to make sensational headlines, report rumors now instead of substantiated facts.

As for the second, I would argue that this is an example that for the most part, we do hold police responsible for their actions. The far and away vast majority of the time, the police act right and benefit the communities they are in. It just never makes the news when they do. Police forces do have internal affairs departments, do investigate their own, and are prosecuted for crimes. The system, while not perfect and while it could be improved, is still pretty damn good.
 
Is there anyone that disputes that officers are responsible for the health and well-being of their prisoners? My Nephew was an MP and he said that when prisoners were tuned over to him in Iraq and Afghanistan that he was charged with their safety. There were often soldiers that wanted to kill his prisoners but that it was his responsibility to ensure the safety of his prisoners and failure to do so would have severe consequences.

Do we really treat enemy combatants with more respect than our own citizens?

No. These cops broke the law and the rules set up to protect prisoners, so they are being charged with crimes.
 
Wow!

This is big.

I was initially shock upon this announcement, since it so rare for the police to be held criminally accountable, but now am ebullient because I believe we may have finally turned the corner on the lack of police accountability and the eroding of our civil rights with the prosecution of cases like this & the Slager-Scott murder in South Carolina.

Hopefully this long painful slide of our eroding rights and police criminal immunity has hit a bottom - I do sense a change in the air.

The police have a difficult job, and it just got tougher and I feel for them, realizing a lot of their problems are cultural & structural

But no one should be above the law - a criminal act is a criminal act. And no one should violate our constitutional rights, including that of due process. ESPECIALLY our civil servants sworn to uphold the law!

And I would hope that our good brethren peace officers realize that when they turn their back on the crimes of their fellow officers in their deeds & documentation, that they too will be held liable including criminally, and they act accordingly by doing the right thing in breaking the code of blue silence. They may not have much choice anymore (hopefully), and that's a good thing. At the least they will be forced to think through their actions & inactions.
 
Actually, we've been doing that all along. Many police have been charged and convicted for crimes they comitted in their duties, including murder and homicide.
Numbers are small, those convited are even lower.
The problem that we've seen multiple times now is when activists lie and make up claims about police misconduct. It's hard to prosecute a case that's based on lies, and then the people all get upset and tear up their neighborhoods because they think it's an injustice not to prosecute cops who have been falsely charged.
No, the problem is not laid at one sides feet. The Police in various jurisdictions have been found to be violating the lwas on a regular basis. Why else were they investigated by DOJ?


Lean on the police too hard and they will stop policing these neighborhoods. Crime started falling in New York City when David Dinkins started supporting the police and hiring more of them. This process accelerated under Giuiliani and continued with Bloomberg. It will be interesting to see what will happen now that a cop hating mayor has taken over.
So stop accountability for Police misconduct?
Crime across the country has dropped has it not?
 
Based on the charges and the attorney's description of events, I suspect the majority of the charges will be dropped..

Also interesting to note that the attorney references "no justice, no peace". Sounds almost like she stated I made these charges because of the riots.
 
Lean on the police too hard and they will stop policing these neighborhoods [...]
Wha???

Do we work for them? Or do they work for us?

This attitude is exactly the problem!

If our current civil servants will not do their job, do what Reagan did when PATCO pulled the same stunt - fire them & hire someone willing to do the job!

Around here officers are making six figures after 4-5 years on the job, with benefits that our phenomenal compared to the average working Joe, and pensions that most of us can only dream about.

I'm sure that over time NYC could find some good new recruits that want to do their job and do it well, IF the power from the top is willing to lean on them & make it clear the same-old same-old is over. Just like PATCO!

The culture you describe has to be broken. (and hopefully we're seeing the beginning)
 
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The worse charges seem to be against the driver. I wonder if that means they think it was a "rough ride" or "nickle ride" or if the driver is the one ultimately responsible for ensuring the passengers are properly secured.
 
I agree that the charges seem appropriate, though these officers must be found guilty first.
 
Based on the charges and the attorney' description of events, I suspect the majority of the charges will be dropped..

They will.

They're just overcharging them and no way they'll get 2cnd degree.

For one now you have contradicting reports from the Medical examiner who yesterday reported that there was no evidence that Gray died during his arrest or at the hands of the Police in the back of the Van.

Today, homicide with a long list of charges.
 
The worse charges seem to be against the driver. I wonder if that means they think it was a "rough ride" or "nickle ride" or if the driver is the one ultimately responsible for ensuring the passengers are properly secured.

They're going to have to prove intent and the other prisoner reported that it was a " smooth ride " all the way to the Police station

This is just the Prosecution trying to calm the community via overcharging these Police Officers.
 
"...The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) of the Justice Department revealed in a study released in Nov. that at least 4,813 people had died either during their arrest or while in custody of police between 2003 and 2009.

Of these, 61 percent were classified as homicides by law enforcement personnel, in other words, directly attributed to the actions of police officers. Moreover, despite comprising just over 30 percent of the total population, 52 percent of the victims of arrest-related deaths were identified as either black or “Hispanic.”... "
DOJ Report: At Least 4,813 Died After Arrest by US Police Between 2003-2009
 
Based on the charges and the attorney's description of events, I suspect the majority of the charges will be dropped..

Also interesting to note that the attorney references "no justice, no peace". Sounds almost like she stated I made these charges because of the riots.

She's an interesting lady, all right


I noted that she seemed fine releasing the facts that would center around the Prosecutions' case, but wasn't willing to address anything else, citing the ongoing investigation. Going to be interesting to see if the Defense claims she prejudiced potential juries.
 
"...The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) of the Justice Department revealed in a study released in Nov. that at least 4,813 people had died either during their arrest or while in custody of police between 2003 and 2009.

Of these, 61 percent were classified as homicides by law enforcement personnel, in other words, directly attributed to the actions of police officers. Moreover, despite comprising just over 30 percent of the total population, 52 percent of the victims of arrest-related deaths were identified as either black or “Hispanic.”... "
DOJ Report: At Least 4,813 Died After Arrest by US Police Between 2003-2009

The last statistic(52%) is worthless unless you have the ethnic breakdown of total arrests and the ethnic breakdown of the homicide during arrest or custody.

Furthermore, anytime you die outside of natural causes is a homicide, but not all homicides are manslaughter or murder.
 
If our current civil servants will not do their job, do what Reagan did when PATCO pulled the same stunt - fire them & hire someone willing to do the job!

Exactly.

There are roughly 250,000 Post-9/11 veterans on the unemployment line.

These are men and women who are disciplines, know how to follow orders, and have served in places that would make police in even the worst American jurisdictions cringe and wet their pants.

Instead of hiring roided up prima donnas with a useless BA in criminal justice give the job to true American patriots.
 
They're going to have to prove intent and the other prisoner reported that it was a " smooth ride " all the way to the Police station

This is just the Prosecution trying to calm the community via overcharging these Police Officers.

Involuntary manslaughter doesn't require intent. The exact definition varies from state to state but it basically boils down to unintentionally killing someone because you were reckless.
 
The last statistic(52%) is worthless unless you have the ethnic breakdown of total arrests and the ethnic breakdown of the homicide during arrest or custody.

Furthermore, anytime you die outside of natural causes is a homicide, but not all homicides are manslaughter or murder.

Not true regarding the definition of homicide. Homicide means to be killed by a human. It could be legal - a justifiable homicide - or illegal - murder, manslaughter etc.

We have numbers on arrest rate by ethnicity - don't recall them offhand but I don't get the sense that 52% of police caused homicides is out of line with the number of black or hispanic arrestees.

The BJS numbers btw, are widely viewed as underreporting the number of police homicides - there was a NYTimes editorial about it in the last day or two. It seems for all the value we place on life we keep really crappy stats on how many people actually die at the hands of law enforcement.
 
Now the ****ing protestors can go home. They have nothing to protest.
 
City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers « CBS Baltimore



The medical examiner ruled it was homicide.

Also, there are charges of negligent homicide, abuse of authority, etc.

It was an unlawful arrest, they claim, and their negligence concerning his safety when riding in the police van resulted in his death. They didn't put him in a seat belt, and he apparently fell in the van and broke his neck.

The charges seem appropriate.

This one is just idiotic, the moron stood up in the back of the van and fell and broke his own neck and it's the police's responsibility for this mans own stupidity? Give me a break.
 
Involuntary manslaughter doesn't require intent. The exact definition varies from state to state but it basically boils down to unintentionally killing someone because you were reckless.

Murder 2 does.

And if they've decided on trying to pin involuntary manslaughter then they was no " Police brutality " in the sense that they literally beat him to death.
 
Wow!

This is big.

I was initially shock upon this announcement, since it so rare for the police to be held criminally accountable.

You don't get out much, I take it. Many police have been charged and convicted for crimes committed while on duty.

Most of the time when a cop shoots someone it's justified. And it's hard to prove that it's not justified unless there's a video of it or something like that. But it's simply not the case that cops always skate.
 
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