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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    It stinks of corruption. I know that can't be, since it's all run by democrats in Baltimore. But there's a small chance.
    LOL! She was just sworn into office 4 months ago. She won against Gregg Bernstein and did so during an election which saw Maryland elected a Republican Governor over Martin O'Malley's attempt to create his own Obama from Maryland (Anythony G. Brown).
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    One of the Prosecutors largest donors is the attorney for the Family of Freddie Gray and she's married to a City Council member.

    Don't you think she should recuse herself ?
    Umm.. same could have been said over other cases which involved lack of charges against cops in other communities. More then like a special prosecutor will be appointed for trial if it gets that far. But she also has to look tough because it was her campaign promise to be tough on police brutality. Not that anybody here followed Baltimore elections.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    As a person who is critical of police and their tactics, I have to say I agree. I just had this exact conversation with my brother. This is how I would see it play out.

    The first line of responsibility is that of the driver. it seems he was primarily responsible and regardless of how his prisoner was loaded it's his responsibility to ensure his safety and he should take the brunt of the blame for what happened.

    The officers that loaded him into the van failed to secure Mr. Fray and are certainly in breech of department policy. Assuming that's all they did, involuntary manslaughter seems pretty steep to me. I'm not certain where the assault charge comes from, but if it's as a result of injuries sustained after the van leaves, then I'm not on board with that either.

    As for the Sargent and Lt., they are superiors and if they knew Mr. Gray was not properly loaded per department policy then they should be severely reprimanded, but again, I'm just not sure that inv. manslaughter is appropriate here.

    Now, if anyone has seen a charging document for a man who commits a robbery, it's not unusual to see a laundry list of charges, most of which disappear and, given the evidence, the worst 2-3 (that can be demonstrated via evidence) stick. So I have little doubt that much of what we're seeing today is tossed out before this is over. I hope there isn't anyone that hopes that they will be charged with all this stuff, because as a critic of police tactics I doubt that's what going to happen, nor do I think, at this time given what I know, that it's right.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the severity of the charges and the liberal manner in which they were doled out had something to do with appeasing the natives, but as I said, I don't think it's all that unusual to "throw the book" at an alleged criminal and see "what sticks".

    I should add that failure to render/ request assistance is something that some or all of the officers could be charged with, but I have no idea specific scenarios for each.
    They also hog tied him which is a no no as well. It's illegal procedure in all major Police departments.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    This was a purely political act. Depraved heart, really? Because they didn't put on a seat belt. She is an absolute disgrace. More like Depraved Democrats.
    depraved-indifference murder, is an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death.

    That basically means the cops looked the other way.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I'm sure that over time NYC could find some good new recruits that want to do their job and do it well, IF the power from the top is willing to lean on them & make it clear the same-old same-old is over. Just like PATCO!

    The culture you describe has to be broken. (and hopefully we're seeing the beginning)
    They could find better recruits if they paid more, pay penuts and you end up with monkeys

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    They also hog tied him which is a no no as well. It's illegal procedure in all major Police departments.
    Honestly I didn't know that...hmmmm
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Umm.. same could have been said over other cases which involved lack of charges against cops in other communities. More then like a special prosecutor will be appointed for trial if it gets that far. But she also has to look tough because it was her campaign promise to be tough on police brutality. Not that anybody here followed Baltimore elections.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers « CBS Baltimore



    The medical examiner ruled it was homicide.

    Also, there are charges of negligent homicide, abuse of authority, etc.

    It was an unlawful arrest, they claim, and their negligence concerning his safety when riding in the police van resulted in his death. They didn't put him in a seat belt, and he apparently fell in the van and broke his neck.

    The charges seem appropriate.
    I don't think medical examiners rule anything a homicide. Medical examiners determine cause of death. The PA claims sufficient evidence to prosecute for the listed crimes. Including homicide. Courts and juries decide the who and what.

    As of now, the police have not been charged or tried or convicted.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Umm.. same could have been said over other cases which involved lack of charges against cops in other communities. More then like a special prosecutor will be appointed for trial if it gets that far. But she also has to look tough because it was her campaign promise to be tough on police brutality. Not that anybody here followed Baltimore elections.
    This isn't other cases and her campaign promise to " be tough on Police brutality " instead of protecting the Law abiding citizens and bringing investment back to a City that is desperate for it just means things in that city will continue to devolve )

    She and too many of the residents have bought into this blown up manufactured narrative that every inner city Police force is corrupt and and racist and something needs to be done about.


    Baltimore ( and other inner city areas ) is the product of decades of Democrat rule and policies that lead to crushing poverty, dependance, corruption and crime.

    Unfortunately its the residents of Baltimore that the Democrats claim to care about the most who suffer under these Political monopolies.

    They have a Mayor who allowed rioters to destroy their neighborhood and a Mayor that told her Police force to stand down and then went and hid behind Al Sharpton instead of answering questions.

    Anyone who watched that video of those High Schoolers pelting the Police with bricks and chunks of concrete and comes away thinking that Police brutality is the primary problem in that community is a friken moron.

    Pushing false narratives about Police brutality while almost 40 percent of Baltimores residents are unemployed, while the drop out rate is nearly 40 percent and the average level of education is a 8th grade education does nothing but lead to more destruction and more economic blight for the residents that live there.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    You may want to look up John F. Banzhaf. Find out who is before quoting him. You wouldn't be caught in the same room as him.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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