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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Is that all you have?
    Yes, which is more than she does, but I'm not the one filing charges.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

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    Yes, which is more than she does, but I'm not the one filing charges.
    Ya got nothing but partisanship. Another reason your justice system is severely flawed.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Ya got nothing but partisanship. Another reason your justice system is severely flawed.
    One of the Prosecutors largest donors is the attorney for the Family of Freddie Gray and she's married to a City Council member.

    Don't you think she should recuse herself ?

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    One of the Prosecutors largest donors is the attorney for the Family of Freddie Gray and she's married to a City Council member.

    Don't you think she should recuse herself ?
    No....

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    All six officers have been charged. Now it goes to Grand Jury. As I read over the charges those are some pretty high charges for someone to be charged with and with that comes proof some pretty high proof they are warranted.
    •Officer Caeser B. Goodson, Jr. was charged with second-degree depraved heart murder, involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, two counts of manslaughter by vehicle and misconduct in office.
    •Officer William G. Porter was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
    •Lt. Brian W. Rice was charged with involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and false imprisonment.
    •Officer Edward M. Nero charged with two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and false imprisonment.
    •Officer Garret Miller charged with two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and false imprisonment.
    •Sgt. Alicia White involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.

    Warrants have been issued for the arrest of the officers.

    But what if they can't prove the level of the charges against these officers? What if the Grand Jury can't justify such charges and throws the case out for some or all? What is that going to do for those who have already made up their mind the officers are guilty of the crimes they have been charged with? Will that cause an uproar of burn the bitch down again?
    As a person who is critical of police and their tactics, I have to say I agree. I just had this exact conversation with my brother. This is how I would see it play out.

    The first line of responsibility is that of the driver. it seems he was primarily responsible and regardless of how his prisoner was loaded it's his responsibility to ensure his safety and he should take the brunt of the blame for what happened.

    The officers that loaded him into the van failed to secure Mr. Fray and are certainly in breech of department policy. Assuming that's all they did, involuntary manslaughter seems pretty steep to me. I'm not certain where the assault charge comes from, but if it's as a result of injuries sustained after the van leaves, then I'm not on board with that either.

    As for the Sargent and Lt., they are superiors and if they knew Mr. Gray was not properly loaded per department policy then they should be severely reprimanded, but again, I'm just not sure that inv. manslaughter is appropriate here.

    Now, if anyone has seen a charging document for a man who commits a robbery, it's not unusual to see a laundry list of charges, most of which disappear and, given the evidence, the worst 2-3 (that can be demonstrated via evidence) stick. So I have little doubt that much of what we're seeing today is tossed out before this is over. I hope there isn't anyone that hopes that they will be charged with all this stuff, because as a critic of police tactics I doubt that's what going to happen, nor do I think, at this time given what I know, that it's right.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the severity of the charges and the liberal manner in which they were doled out had something to do with appeasing the natives, but as I said, I don't think it's all that unusual to "throw the book" at an alleged criminal and see "what sticks".

    I should add that failure to render/ request assistance is something that some or all of the officers could be charged with, but I have no idea specific scenarios for each.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    As a person who is critical of police and their tactics, I have to say I agree. I just had this exact conversation with my brother. This is how I would see it play out.

    The first line of responsibility is that of the driver. it seems he was primarily responsible and regardless of how his prisoner was loaded it's his responsibility to ensure his safety and he should take the brunt of the blame for what happened.

    The officers that loaded him into the van failed to secure Mr. Fray and are certainly in breech of department policy. Assuming that's all they did, involuntary manslaughter seems pretty steep to me. I'm not certain where the assault charge comes from, but if it's as a result of injuries sustained after the van leaves, then I'm not on board with that either.

    As for the Sargent and Lt., they are superiors and if they knew Mr. Gray was not properly loaded per department policy then they should be severely reprimanded, but again, I'm just not sure that inv. manslaughter is appropriate here.

    Now, if anyone has seen a charging document for a man who commits a robbery, it's not unusual to see a laundry list of charges, most of which disappear and, given the evidence, the worst 2-3 (that can be demonstrated via evidence) stick. So I have little doubt that much of what we're seeing today is tossed out before this is over. I hope there isn't anyone that hopes that they will be charged with all this stuff, because as a critic of police tactics I doubt that's what going to happen, nor do I think, at this time given what I know, that it's right.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the severity of the charges and the liberal manner in which they were doled out had something to do with appeasing the natives, but as I said, I don't think it's all that unusual to "throw the book" at an alleged criminal and see "what sticks".
    Good post
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I agree. Why are not Officer involved shootings- from shots fired no injuries to death not mandatory to compile and report.
    This was a purely political act. Depraved heart, really? Because they didn't put on a seat belt. She is an absolute disgrace. More like Depraved Democrats.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    When the officers are exonerated, Baltimore will be reduced to ashes.

    And good luck finding qualified applicants for that police department moving forward.
    So in the interest of full disclosure, here's what I think...Read before you reply;

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064583376

    If it can be shown that Mr. Gray wasn't secured (a fact that doesn't seem to be in dispute) how does the driver of the van get exonerated?
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

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    Do we really treat enemy combatants with more respect than our own citizens?
    Only if you take the events in Baltimore as a universal situation.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Ya got nothing but partisanship. Another reason your justice system is severely flawed.
    Oh, not my system. This is the Democrat machine of Baltimore at work. You sure are right about partisanship.
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