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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

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    Actually, we've been doing that all along. Many police have been charged and convicted for crimes they comitted in their duties, including murder and homicide.

    The problem that we've seen multiple times now is when activists lie and make up claims about police misconduct. It's hard to prosecute a case that's based on lies, and then the people all get upset and tear up their neighborhoods because they think it's an injustice not to prosecute cops who have been falsely charged.

    Lean on the police too hard and they will stop policing these neighborhoods. Crime started falling in New York City when David Dinkins started supporting the police and hiring more of them. This process accelerated under Giuiliani and continued with Bloomberg. It will be interesting to see what will happen now that a cop hating mayor has taken over.

    Oh, here we go: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2134509
    $1.5 million payout for woman beaten by California cop - CNN.com

    So while I admit that this one case is anecdotal, I suspect if I look hard enough I can find plenty of examples..

    The CHP officer that beat the 51 year old grandmother on the freeway MMA style was forced to resign.....Forced to resign? Is that justice? Many cops simply take up residence in a new town and start all over.

    Shouldn't the officer in this case have been convicted of a crime? (if he was I am genuinely unaware of it) Should he not only been suspended from his job but prevented from becoming a public official anywhere in the US?

    Here is another officer paralyzing a man who was wrongly identified as a suspect. The officer was allowed to continue patrolling the streets even though his record showed that he was 6 times more likely to be involved in violent altercations when making arrests.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDerqyvUZeQ

    Is this every officer? Of course not, but there is way to much of this behavior that is tolerated and there are way to many officers involved in these incidents that get away with crimes simply because they were committed wearing a badge.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Anyone who is currently or wants to go into law enforcement, are idiots. The job is dangerous enough without the DOJ and whiny liberals cities and states wanting to imprison you for trying to do a very difficult job.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

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    Anyone who is currently or wants to go into law enforcement, are idiots. The job is dangerous enough without the DOJ and whiny liberals cities and states wanting to imprison you for trying to do a very difficult job.
    Having a dangerous job doesn't mean that you get to recklessly endanger other's lives or kill people without cause.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    Anyone who is currently or wants to go into law enforcement, are idiots. The job is dangerous enough without the DOJ and whiny liberals cities and states wanting to imprison you for trying to do a very difficult job.
    They volunteer- which I respect - can be a dirty job dealing with the repercussions of some dumb ass societal/Govt polices and the impact on society.
    That said, they are paid to enforce the law, not serve justice as they see fit to upon those arrested.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Manslaughter seems an appropriate charge. Its interesting that the prosecutors also cited that Gray was arrested illegally since there was no basis for why he was being detained (the knife he was carrying was legal). One cop is going to be charged with 2nd degree depraved heart murder though, but what does that even mean?

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Good news indeed. It will be interesting if it goes to trial.

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    oh goody. now when the evidence becomes clear(see ferguson) and the officers get off we can all witness an even BIGGER race riot in Baltimore. and the best part is it will all be blamed on ME, the "angry white male".

    good times

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    From your link....

    “Cops used to laugh about it. That was big in the 1980s and 1990s,” Alpert said. “It was obviously against policy and illegal. I remember in some trainings that police chiefs would say, ‘You’d better bring the damn dog you were trying to avoid if you come in with a prisoner with such an injury.’” Alpert added, “Now a lot of these vans and cars have videos in them. So it doesn’t happen very often.”

    Read more at: How Common Are Police 'Rough Rides'? | National Review Online
    It’s horrific that this is how cops ever treated people as a matter of common practice or tradition — but it’s also apparently less common, if Alpert’s right, than it used to be, in part because of cameras in vehicles. The Baltimore Police apparently don’t have cameras in their cars, or at least didn’t have one in the vehicle that held Gray. That’s a measure that seems like it would be quite easy to implement and would help stamp out however much of a culture there is of dealing “rough rides.” (Body cameras for cops are often considered such an obvious idea, too, but that idea has stalled in Baltimore over privacy and budget concerns. It’s cheaper and more discreet at least recording what happens in cop cars.)

    Read more at: How Common Are Police 'Rough Rides'? | National Review Online
    I'm sorry am I the only one that thinks this should NEVER happen? Police intentionally hurting their prisoners as a form of punishment? Does anyone think that abusing prisoners is funny? Do we want police that take joy in retaliation of those that have been captured to be on our police forces?

    The article seems to suggest that cops know there being watched now and that is, I assume, the reason it happens less. So the malice of the police remains, it's just that they have fewer places to abuse their prisoners with impunity?

    I don't know I'm asking, but that's what the article seems to suggest.

    It's interesting to note that the van Mr. Gray was killed in didn't have a camera so how can we really say it happens less often? Did the drive know that (or course he did) and does that explain the officers conduct? I dunno, just asking.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yeah, the rule was the prisoner has to be buckled in. Baltimore had a similar case with a guy who did the same thing in a police van. He sued and won a bunch of money from the city. The cops knew better, and because they were (allegedly) negligent the prisoner died. Ipso facto, negligent homicide, although I'm not sure where the prosecutor is getting 2nd degree murder. To charge murder the prosecutor is saying that the police intended to kill Gray. I don't think they'll be able to prove that. The police were indifferent, maybe, but intending to kill? Don't think so.
    As I understand it, the driver of the police van was the most severely charged. Apparently he checked on Gray numerous times and did not get him medical care, instead he picked up another prisoner. Sounds like depraved indifference at the very least.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

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    $1.5 million payout for woman beaten by California cop - CNN.com

    So while I admit that this one case is anecdotal, I suspect if I look hard enough I can find plenty of examples..

    The CHP officer that beat the 51 year old grandmother on the freeway MMA style was forced to resign.....Forced to resign? Is that justice? Many cops simply take up residence in a new town and start all over.

    Shouldn't the officer in this case have been convicted of a crime? (if he was I am genuinely unaware of it) Should he not only been suspended from his job but prevented from becoming a public official anywhere in the US?

    Here is another officer paralyzing a man who was wrongly identified as a suspect. The officer was allowed to continue patrolling the streets even though his record showed that he was 6 times more likely to be involved in violent altercations when making arrests.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDerqyvUZeQ

    Is this every officer? Of course not, but there is way to much of this behavior that is tolerated and there are way to many officers involved in these incidents that get away with crimes simply because they were committed wearing a badge.
    The most likely explanation is that what can be proved in civil court may be hard to prove in a criminal trial.

    There are just short of a million federal, state, and local sworn officers in the US. Of those ~388 a year (2012) shoot a suspect, and most of the time this is justified. Over a 20 year career the chances that an officer will shoot a suspect are about 0.8%. The chances that a given young man will be shot by any cop over 20 years are about 0.00133%. From this I conclude that the panic over police shootings is not justified.

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