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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Lets say that is true. Is that reason to charge these officers with a crime? Is that common? Seems to me that they should face disciplinary action but false imprisonment is absurd and there is no way they will be found guilty of that. The issue here is the mans death, what caused it and who is responsible. If its the driver-and it seems to be-then the criminal charges should be applied to him only. Nothing else that appears to have happen at the hands of the other officers seems to warrant criminal prosecution. Overcharging is going to cause more problems then it hoped to solve when virtually all the charges are dropped.
    If you look at who is responsible for the man's death then there's no question it is the driver who likely unintentionally committed homicide. I suspect the charge of false arrest was brought in because they needed white faces among those charged.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    One feature of the US judicial system is the right to a fair trial, and as such, the fate of those on trial and what may be discussed in court is *not* up to the whims of an elected prosecutor.
    Again, it's up to the DA or State's Attorney to decide what cases to try. There are hundreds of thousands of cases that are dropped each year because the Prosecutor didn't bring charges or allowed the accused to plea down.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Thinking the knife is in violation of the law gives probable cause.
    And what you are failing to understand is they had NO probable cause at the time they chased him. They had NO idea he had knife at the point. Making it an illegal arrest.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The prosecutor stated that the knife, or his possesion of it did not violate local law. "Running from the police" could just have been "running"...it is not illegal to run. The cops testimony that it was "after eye contact was made" is fairly irrelevant. If the cops had no real reason to suspect that he was involved in a crime, they had no probable cause to interact with him in any way.



    It is only possible to detain for identification if there is probable cause that the suspect was commiting a crime. ID laws do not give cops blanket authority to "check your papers" at will. They must have a reason to ask for identification.
    And I'm most cases, you don't need to carry identification with you. For example, you don't need to have your drivers license with you unless you care actually driving.


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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No, your assumptions in face of the evidence is tin foil bs.


    No it doesn't.

    Thinking the knife is in violation of the law gives probable cause.
    Why would the knife violate the law? It would be covered by the Second Amendment.


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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    This one is just idiotic, the moron stood up in the back of the van and fell and broke his own neck and it's the police's responsibility for this mans own stupidity? Give me a break.
    This is from the Charging Documents:

    <snip>

    "Mr. Gray was then placed in a prone position with his arms handcuffed behind his back. It was at this time that Mr. Gray indicated that he could not breathe and requested an inhaler to no avail.

    Officers Miller and Nero then placed Mr. Gray in a seated position and subsequently found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. The blade of the knife was folded into the handle. The knife was not a switchblade knife and is lawful under Maryland law. These officers subsequently removed the knife and placed it on the sidewalk.

    Mr. Gray was then placed back down on his stomach, at which time Mr. Gray began to flail his legs and scream as Officer Miller placed Mr. Gray in a restraining technique known as a "leg lace" while Officer Nero physically held him down against his will until a BPD wagon arrived to transport Mr. Gray. Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero failed to establish probable cause for Mr. Gray's arrest as no crime had been committed by Mr. Gray.

    Accordingly, Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero illegally arrested Mr. Gray. Upon arrival of the transport wagon, driven by Officer Ceasar Goodson, Lt. Rice, Officer Nero, and Officer Miller loaded Mr. Gray into the wagon and at no point was he secured by a seat belt while in the wagon, contrary to a BPD General Order.

    Lt. Rice then directed the BPD wagon to stop at Baker Street. At Baker Street, Lt. Rice, Officer Nero and Officer Miller removed Mr. Gray from the wagon, placed flex cuffs on his wrists, placed leg shackles on his ankles, and completed required paperwork.

    Officer Miller, Officer Nero and Lt. Rice then loaded Mr. Gray back into the wagon, placing him on his stomach, head first onto the floor of the wagon. Once again, Mr. Gray was not secured by a seat belt in the wagon, contrary to a BPD General Order. Lt. Rice then directed Officer Goodson to transport Mr. Gray to the Central Booking and Intake Facility.

    Following transport from Baker Street, Mr. Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet, and unrestrained inside of the BPD wagon.

    From Baker Street, Officer Goodson proceeded to the vicinity of Mosher Street and Fremont Avenue, where he subsequently parked the wagon and proceeded to the back of the wagon in order to observe Mr. Gray.

    Despite stopping for the purpose of checking on Mr. Gray's condition, at no point did he seek, nor did he render, any medical assistance for Mr. Gray
    .

    Officer Goodson returned to his driver's seat and proceeded toward the Central Booking and Intake Facility, with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seat belt, contrary to a BPD General Order.

    Several blocks later, Officer Goodson called into dispatch that he needed to check on the status of his prisoner and requested additional units at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue. Officer William Porter arrived on the scene near Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue.

    Both Officer Goodson and Officer Porter proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status of Mr. Gray's condition. Mr. Gray requested "help" and indicated that he could not breathe. Officer Porter asked Mr. Gray if he needed a medic, at which time Mr. Gray indicated at least twice that he was in need of a medic.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    <cont.>

    Officer Porter then physically assisted Mr. Gray from the floor of the van to the bench. However, despite Mr. Gray's appeal for a medic, both officers assessed Mr. Gray's condition and at no point did either of them restrain Mr. Gray, per BPD General Order, nor did they render or request medical assistance.

    While discussing the transportation of Mr. Gray for medical attention, a request for additional units was made for an arrest at 1600 W. North Avenue. Officer Porter left the vicinity of Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue to assist in the arrest of another prisoner at North Avenue.

    Despite Mr. Gray's obvious and recognized need for medical assistance, Officer Goodson, in a grossly negligent manner, chose to respond to the 1600 block of W. North Avenue, with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seat belt in the wagon, without rendering to or summonsing medical assistance for Mr. Gray.

    Officer Goodson arrived at North Avenue to transport the individual arrested at the location of North and Pennsylvania avenues, at which time, he was again met by Officers Nero, Miller, Porter and Lt. Rice. Once the wagon arrived, Officer Goodson walked to the back of the wagon and again opened the doors to the wagon to make observations of Mr. Gray. Sgt. Alicia White, Officer Porter, and Officer Goodson observed Mr. Gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon.

    Sgt. White, who was responsible for investigating two citizen complaints pertaining to Mr. Gray's illegal arrest, spoke to the back of Mr. Gray's head. When he did not respond, she did nothing further despite the fact that she was advised that he needed a medic.

    She made no effort to look, assess or determine his condition. Despite Mr. Gray's seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered to or summonsed for Mr. Gray at that time by any office
    r.

    After completing the North Avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the opposite side of the wagon containing Mr. Gray, Officer Goodson then proceeded to the Western District Police Station, where contrary to the BPD General Order, he again failed to restrain Mr. Gray in the wagon for at least the fifth time. At the Western District Police Station, the defendant arrested at North Avenue was unloaded, escorted, and secured inside of the police station prior to attending to Mr. Gray.

    By the time Officer Zachary Novak, Sgt. White and an unknown officer attempted to remove Mr. Gray from the wagon, Mr. Gray was no longer breathing at all
    .

    A medic was finally called to the scene, where upon arrival, the medic determined that Mr. Gray was now in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured."

    (This is from public, Government Documents, so not subject to copyright rules)

    More: Statement of Charges in Freddie Gray case | Maryland News - WBAL Home

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Odd reply considering your claim of "me-against-the-world crusade" is rhetoric.
    Stop baiting. Your circle of beliefs is far too small and closed off for you to be any kind of accusations like that.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    (snip for length)
    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    <cont.>

    Officer Porter then physically assisted Mr. Gray from the floor of the van to the bench. However, despite Mr. Gray's appeal for a medic, both officers assessed Mr. Gray's condition and at no point did either of them restrain Mr. Gray, per BPD General Order, nor did they render or request medical assistance.

    While discussing the transportation of Mr. Gray for medical attention, a request for additional units was made for an arrest at 1600 W. North Avenue. Officer Porter left the vicinity of Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue to assist in the arrest of another prisoner at North Avenue.

    Despite Mr. Gray's obvious and recognized need for medical assistance, Officer Goodson, in a grossly negligent manner, chose to respond to the 1600 block of W. North Avenue, with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seat belt in the wagon, without rendering to or summonsing medical assistance for Mr. Gray.

    Officer Goodson arrived at North Avenue to transport the individual arrested at the location of North and Pennsylvania avenues, at which time, he was again met by Officers Nero, Miller, Porter and Lt. Rice. Once the wagon arrived, Officer Goodson walked to the back of the wagon and again opened the doors to the wagon to make observations of Mr. Gray. Sgt. Alicia White, Officer Porter, and Officer Goodson observed Mr. Gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon.

    Sgt. White, who was responsible for investigating two citizen complaints pertaining to Mr. Gray's illegal arrest, spoke to the back of Mr. Gray's head. When he did not respond, she did nothing further despite the fact that she was advised that he needed a medic.

    She made no effort to look, assess or determine his condition. Despite Mr. Gray's seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered to or summonsed for Mr. Gray at that time by any office
    r.

    After completing the North Avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the opposite side of the wagon containing Mr. Gray, Officer Goodson then proceeded to the Western District Police Station, where contrary to the BPD General Order, he again failed to restrain Mr. Gray in the wagon for at least the fifth time. At the Western District Police Station, the defendant arrested at North Avenue was unloaded, escorted, and secured inside of the police station prior to attending to Mr. Gray.

    By the time Officer Zachary Novak, Sgt. White and an unknown officer attempted to remove Mr. Gray from the wagon, Mr. Gray was no longer breathing at all
    .

    A medic was finally called to the scene, where upon arrival, the medic determined that Mr. Gray was now in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured."

    (This is from public, Government Documents, so not subject to copyright rules)

    More: Statement of Charges in Freddie Gray case | Maryland News - WBAL Home
    Jesus ****ing God.

    If all of that is true, then it's game over for those officers.

    As it damn well better be.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Baltimore has had its fair share of Black Americans killed by police.A clear message has been sent to the Police to adhere to policies.
    Read the link - then show your disgust by posting what you find offensive.

    Freddie Gray Is Only the Latest Apparent Victim of Baltimore Police Violence - The Atlantic
    If my post offends you, I deeply Apple-O-Jize.

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