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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    The worse charges seem to be against the driver. I wonder if that means they think it was a "rough ride" or "nickle ride" or if the driver is the one ultimately responsible for ensuring the passengers are properly secured.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    I agree that the charges seem appropriate, though these officers must be found guilty first.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Based on the charges and the attorney' description of events, I suspect the majority of the charges will be dropped..
    They will.

    They're just overcharging them and no way they'll get 2cnd degree.

    For one now you have contradicting reports from the Medical examiner who yesterday reported that there was no evidence that Gray died during his arrest or at the hands of the Police in the back of the Van.

    Today, homicide with a long list of charges.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    The worse charges seem to be against the driver. I wonder if that means they think it was a "rough ride" or "nickle ride" or if the driver is the one ultimately responsible for ensuring the passengers are properly secured.
    They're going to have to prove intent and the other prisoner reported that it was a " smooth ride " all the way to the Police station

    This is just the Prosecution trying to calm the community via overcharging these Police Officers.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    "...The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) of the Justice Department revealed in a study released in Nov. that at least 4,813 people had died either during their arrest or while in custody of police between 2003 and 2009.

    Of these, 61 percent were classified as homicides by law enforcement personnel, in other words, directly attributed to the actions of police officers. Moreover, despite comprising just over 30 percent of the total population, 52 percent of the victims of arrest-related deaths were identified as either black or “Hispanic.”... "
    DOJ Report: At Least 4,813 Died After Arrest by US Police Between 2003-2009

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Based on the charges and the attorney's description of events, I suspect the majority of the charges will be dropped..

    Also interesting to note that the attorney references "no justice, no peace". Sounds almost like she stated I made these charges because of the riots.
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    I noted that she seemed fine releasing the facts that would center around the Prosecutions' case, but wasn't willing to address anything else, citing the ongoing investigation. Going to be interesting to see if the Defense claims she prejudiced potential juries.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    "...The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) of the Justice Department revealed in a study released in Nov. that at least 4,813 people had died either during their arrest or while in custody of police between 2003 and 2009.

    Of these, 61 percent were classified as homicides by law enforcement personnel, in other words, directly attributed to the actions of police officers. Moreover, despite comprising just over 30 percent of the total population, 52 percent of the victims of arrest-related deaths were identified as either black or “Hispanic.”... "
    DOJ Report: At Least 4,813 Died After Arrest by US Police Between 2003-2009
    The last statistic(52%) is worthless unless you have the ethnic breakdown of total arrests and the ethnic breakdown of the homicide during arrest or custody.

    Furthermore, anytime you die outside of natural causes is a homicide, but not all homicides are manslaughter or murder.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    If our current civil servants will not do their job, do what Reagan did when PATCO pulled the same stunt - fire them & hire someone willing to do the job!
    Exactly.

    There are roughly 250,000 Post-9/11 veterans on the unemployment line.

    These are men and women who are disciplines, know how to follow orders, and have served in places that would make police in even the worst American jurisdictions cringe and wet their pants.

    Instead of hiring roided up prima donnas with a useless BA in criminal justice give the job to true American patriots.
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    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    They're going to have to prove intent and the other prisoner reported that it was a " smooth ride " all the way to the Police station

    This is just the Prosecution trying to calm the community via overcharging these Police Officers.
    Involuntary manslaughter doesn't require intent. The exact definition varies from state to state but it basically boils down to unintentionally killing someone because you were reckless.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The last statistic(52%) is worthless unless you have the ethnic breakdown of total arrests and the ethnic breakdown of the homicide during arrest or custody.

    Furthermore, anytime you die outside of natural causes is a homicide, but not all homicides are manslaughter or murder.
    Not true regarding the definition of homicide. Homicide means to be killed by a human. It could be legal - a justifiable homicide - or illegal - murder, manslaughter etc.

    We have numbers on arrest rate by ethnicity - don't recall them offhand but I don't get the sense that 52% of police caused homicides is out of line with the number of black or hispanic arrestees.

    The BJS numbers btw, are widely viewed as underreporting the number of police homicides - there was a NYTimes editorial about it in the last day or two. It seems for all the value we place on life we keep really crappy stats on how many people actually die at the hands of law enforcement.
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